How do you downshift?
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Originally Posted by CarbonXe
I heel-toe down to 2nd then when I'm at about 1000-1200 rpm in 2nd I'll pop it into neutral. It's not the best thing to do gas milage-wise..but w/e.
fyi noobs: heel toe is a RACING technique used when trying to save precious tenths of seconds while cornering on a track. There is really no need to heel toe while driving through town.
and based on the placement and complete difference in pedal pressure in the tc's gas and brake pedal, it is much more of a pain in the ___ than its worth.
also not as necessary with a ECT.
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I don't really think anyone said Heel Toe Shifting is necessary. Is it necessary to have a turbo in a tC? No its not. so why do people put them in? cuz it makes the car that much more enjoyable.
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Originally Posted by SePaTc
Originally Posted by CarbonXe
I heel-toe down to 2nd then when I'm at about 1000-1200 rpm in 2nd I'll pop it into neutral. It's not the best thing to do gas milage-wise..but w/e.
fyi noobs: heel toe is a RACING technique used when trying to save precious tenths of seconds while cornering on a track. There is really no need to heel toe while driving through town.
and based on the placement and complete difference in pedal pressure in the tc's gas and brake pedal, it is much more of a pain in the butt than its worth.
also not as necessary with a ECT.
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Originally Posted by CarbonXe
Originally Posted by SePaTc
Originally Posted by CarbonXe
I heel-toe down to 2nd then when I'm at about 1000-1200 rpm in 2nd I'll pop it into neutral. It's not the best thing to do gas milage-wise..but w/e.
fyi noobs: heel toe is a RACING technique used when trying to save precious tenths of seconds while cornering on a track. There is really no need to heel toe while driving through town.
and based on the placement and complete difference in pedal pressure in the tc's gas and brake pedal, it is much more of a pain in the butt than its worth.
also not as necessary with a ECT.
u must have wide shoes if your foot is resting on the throttle while applying the brake. Sometimes i accidentally do that..... when you depress the brake, the pedal goes down so far, that if you were on the throttle too, you'd be at about 1/2 to 3/4 throttle and like 4000rpms.
so, in your 5 years of driving experience, how many cars have you actually owned and heel-toed in???
w/e. to each their own. everyone should do whatever they want. i'm just saying that heel toeing is not necessary, and imo, doesn't make driving any easier or more enjoyable.
what would make the car more enjoyable is having a stiffer return spring for the throttle pedal, that way you could actually rest your foot on the pedal without the rpms skyrocketing. This way, it would also be more closely matched to the stiffness of the brake pedal, making heel-toe a lot easier.... .02
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Originally Posted by SePaTc
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Originally Posted by SePaTc
Originally Posted by CarbonXe
I heel-toe down to 2nd then when I'm at about 1000-1200 rpm in 2nd I'll pop it into neutral. It's not the best thing to do gas milage-wise..but w/e.
fyi noobs: heel toe is a RACING technique used when trying to save precious tenths of seconds while cornering on a track. There is really no need to heel toe while driving through town.
and based on the placement and complete difference in pedal pressure in the tc's gas and brake pedal, it is much more of a pain in the butt than its worth.
also not as necessary with a ECT.
u must have wide shoes if your foot is resting on the throttle while applying the brake. Sometimes i accidentally do that..... when you depress the brake, the pedal goes down so far, that if you were on the throttle too, you'd be at about 1/2 to 3/4 throttle and like 4000rpms.
so, in your 5 years of driving experience, how many cars have you actually owned and heel-toed in???
w/e. to each their own. everyone should do whatever they want. i'm just saying that heel toeing is not necessary, and imo, doesn't make driving any easier or more enjoyable.
what would make the car more enjoyable is having a stiffer return spring for the throttle pedal, that way you could actually rest your foot on the pedal without the rpms skyrocketing. This way, it would also be more closely matched to the stiffness of the brake pedal, making heel-toe a lot easier.... .02
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when i see a red light, i put it in neutral, and use the brakes. Its not probably the right way, but it is eaier. If i am taking a turn, then i push in clutch, put it in the gear i need to be when accelerationg out of the turn.
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Originally Posted by SePaTc
:D sure
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depends all on when the light is going to change or the traffic, but usually leave it in the gear as i slow then neutral when its to low of an RPM, but if i think i will need to accelerate at all i will follow the gears down through the RPMs
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Originally Posted by CarbonXe
Originally Posted by SePaTc
:D sure
wheres the clutch? u aren't doing this on an auto are you??
like i said, if "heel-toeing" makes you feel better, more power to ya. its more difficult to do it in the tc than its worth.
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Originally Posted by SePaTc
fyi noobs: heel toe is a RACING technique used when trying to save precious tenths of seconds while cornering on a track. There is really no need to heel toe while driving through town.
On the street, one is rarely near the limit while driving responsibly, and as such, heel-toe for the racing application isn't needed.
However, it is useful in being a more efficient driver. The best way to take any corner, street or track, is to be in the proper gear for when you exit the turn/corner, and have both hands on the wheel. Not only does this require physically being in the lower gear (clutch engaged and shifter in correct gear gate), but it requires your hand being off the shifter and not shifting.
It's really the safest way. You stay in control of the car by being in the right gear and having the freedom to keep both hands on the wheel.
Heel-toeing allows you to delay the downshift a bit to allow for either not screaming your engine everytime you approach a turn (which isn't bad really, it's just annoying to other people especially at night when its just kind of rude) and then slamming the brake at the last second, or slowing down excessively on the straight so that you still have time to complete a downshift before the corner.
The alternative is clutching in during the corner. Will doing so kill you? In most cases, no, but still... why be out of control if its not necessary to do so?
Heel-toe isn't necessary on the street, sure, but it's a very, very good idea.
I guess you're going to tell me disc brakes are only for racing applications and it would be silly for me to have them on my street car, right?
i love when 20 year old kids tell me that heel toeing is a very very good idea. :D
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dude just stop. You're trying to act smart and its not working. Its a preference. Nobody said they're doing it to save time. No body said that its better. The only things we said were that it was more fun and more convenient. Last I checked, both of those are opinion. How are you gona argue an opinion?
btw, my foot covers both gas and brake too.
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btw, my foot covers both gas and brake too.
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yeah....its more fun and convenient to angle your right foot in the opposite direction its supposed to rotate in order to get your heel onto the soft throttle pedal.
You guys just like being able to say "Yeah, i heel toe in my scion"....because you think it sounds cool.
Lets race.
guarantee you i beat you and your heel-toeing with standard shifting.
You guys just like being able to say "Yeah, i heel toe in my scion"....because you think it sounds cool.
Lets race.
guarantee you i beat you and your heel-toeing with standard shifting.
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Originally Posted by SePaTc
fyi noobs: heel toe is a RACING technique used when trying to save precious tenths of seconds while cornering on a track. There is really no need to heel toe while driving through town.
theres no need for turbo-kits, big brake kits, lowered suspensions, lip or pedestal spoilers, 18", 19" rims, window tints, shortee antennas, loud-butt exhausts, and ridiculous stereo systems, but many of us still add those to our cars.
why??
PERSONAL PREFERENCE. so if they want to heel-toe, let them heel toe. how does it affect you?
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You really need to make sure you know what you're talking about before you open your mouth. its called heel toe braking. notice braking comes after toe. You brake with... You guess it, your toe. Before you go out and try and act smart, make sure you know what you're talking about.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cPj9XXW25GA
And if that's not good enough check it out being used in real race in a race car.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IuoZeuSgEj4&feature=related
Keep digging your own grave buddy. Keep on diggin.
Before you go out and try and act smart, make sure you know what you're talking about.http://youtube.com/watch?v=cPj9XXW25GA
And if that's not good enough check it out being used in real race in a race car.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IuoZeuSgEj4&feature=related
Keep digging your own grave buddy. Keep on diggin.
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As much as I dislike SEPATC and his comments, I am going to have to agree with him that heel toeing is pretty much unneeded for driving on the street.
You can decelerate dwon from 55 MPH, to a stop with out doing it. The only time heel toeing is really needed is when your downshift into your next gear is going to put you in the 5000 RPM range. And this should only be happening on a race track.
Like was stated, the purpose of heelo toing is to be able to carry the correct gear through a turn, so that when you exit you are in the lowest gear possible to keep you in the power band of your car. It is also used because if you are mid turn and just grab a gear, its going to unbalance the gear horrible from the shock of transmission going one speed, engine going another. You heel toe to get them both at the same speed so that its a smooth tranistion.
Any one that tracks their car knows that ANYTHING sudden in a turn is a disaster. To much gas, to little gas, a downshift done wrong, or to much breaking, and your gonna loose it.
On the street, you can easily down shift from 5th-4th at 55 mph wit simply presing clutch in, shifting releasing clutch. The difference in rpms is very minimal so clutch wear is near negligible.
All just personal opinion though.
You can decelerate dwon from 55 MPH, to a stop with out doing it. The only time heel toeing is really needed is when your downshift into your next gear is going to put you in the 5000 RPM range. And this should only be happening on a race track.
Like was stated, the purpose of heelo toing is to be able to carry the correct gear through a turn, so that when you exit you are in the lowest gear possible to keep you in the power band of your car. It is also used because if you are mid turn and just grab a gear, its going to unbalance the gear horrible from the shock of transmission going one speed, engine going another. You heel toe to get them both at the same speed so that its a smooth tranistion.
Any one that tracks their car knows that ANYTHING sudden in a turn is a disaster. To much gas, to little gas, a downshift done wrong, or to much breaking, and your gonna loose it.
On the street, you can easily down shift from 5th-4th at 55 mph wit simply presing clutch in, shifting releasing clutch. The difference in rpms is very minimal so clutch wear is near negligible.
All just personal opinion though.