Earlier today I had to stop quickly. (Someone on their cellphone had their left turn signal on, but went straight anyway.) When I did, I heard this weird noise coming from the back, like the abs was keeping the wheels from locking. The car shifted a little when this happened and I was afraid it wasn't going to stop. I'm not sure if this is just the ABS or if it has something to do with the EBD since it seems that the back wheels are the ones that have these problems, and in order to keep the car from tilting when braking, the EBD puts more force on the rear wheels. I just hope the brakes keep working.

 

I agree. I've seen a number of crashes, and I have yet to see a crash at 40mph do that much damage. A shattered rim is pretty good indicator that the speed was higher then that, or those stock rims are a POS. (I hit a curb at 65 and just munch the suspension and bent the rim, high quality rim 650 a shot though) Maybe he hit the tree at 40mph with a point of contact being that rim. Hard to tell. A tree can do a crap load of damage with low branches and such, so I guess it's possible. Just a bit hard to take.

 

Not to offend anyone, but I DEF. believe that was from a 40 mph crash... if anything... thats NOT enough damage for 40 mph... you guys don't realize that when someone gets into an accident... it is usually around 20mph at moment of impact.... just so you know... these are the results of 40mph crashes:


BTW... that was a newer corolla... and it got the HIGHEST ratings... so please... think before you speak... just remember, at moment of impact, going 40mph, THAT is what a car looks like... SMASHED... the tC in this post, did NOT sustain that much damage, and therefore, one can conclude that at moment of impact, it was probably traveling LESS than 40mph.

 

What really scared me is that thr rim break...

Seems like they are not that strong either...

 

The crash test pic you showed was a head-on crash into a fixed, reinforced barrier - ALL energy was absorbed by the body of the car. The crash that started this thread was a sideways blow to the front quarter - energy was dissipated by rotation, and probably somewhat by the tree. Also figure in the fact that the car's motion was slowed by the sideways skid.

Lot more thinking involved than even you thought, huh? :twisted:

 

It seems pretty reasonable that the wheel broke at that speed...especially when it looks like it made contact w/ the tree.

 

I commute through the canyons in SoCal nearly every morning... faster than 20mph for sure

Never happened to me.

What are you leaving out?

 

Since I know more about anyone else in this thread of accidents (having survived 3 major, and been in several smaller ones, a target for violence)...hehe...anyway

The damage that happened to his car could of happened at 20 mph ...I got reversed into at 35 mph and it erased the back of my old car. I was also hit at 65 mph from behind at a red light, luckily the turbo spooled, right in time as I entered the intersection because some dumbass came over the hill in an 18 wheeler going 85, could hear the screeching, but it was red...thought he was gonna stop...I was in an Eclipse GS-T...lucky that turbo decided to give the car the bump, even though I no longer had a back end, the tires spun enough to save everyone in the car from being pasted by traffic. Hell, my girlfriends mom reversed into my car at like 10 mph, and completely totaled one side of my car, and after feelin the tC, its crumple zones are like the whole damn car ...so that damage he got could of happened from a bicycle running into his car while parked ...hehe

 

^ Wrong again, this picture was definitley from an OFFSET crash... IIHS test cars at 40mph @ moment of impact, into an OFFSET barrier. ie: A HALF FRONTAL IMPACT... A SIDEWAYS IMPACT... btw... a tree is a fixed barrier also... HELLO!

 

Huh? Do you know what offset crash means? It means they run the car into a barrier that impacts the front half of the car head on. There is no sideways impact, and there is nothing to scrub off speed, the car is run head on into a barrier.



What mrtc was saying is that if the car was moving laterally a lot of speed would have been reduced by friction.

Why are you so worked up about this?

 

Yeah, I wrote, "Half Frontal Impact" so clearly, I do know what an offset crash is... but anyway, Im not worked up about anything, Im just putting in my $0.2

He seemed to mean a full frontal collision... his words can be misconstrued easily

 

I know i am late on this thread but that was too funny


BTW what ever happened to the claim...what did allstate say...did you insurance go up????? just curious

 

Let's not get off track here. Initially, I had my suspicion that the guy just trying to get off responsibility by blaming the car. But now, after reading all the replies, I think maybe the breaking system / Electronic Breakforce Distribution really is having some pretty serious design flaws.

Let's keep talking about this, and get some concrete evidence and bring this up to Scion. This is a matter of safty, I value that much more than performance and comfort. Don't you agree?

 

I doubt this is a "all tCs" braking/performance issue. If so we would have heard about this a zillion times. I think if they have sold over 30,000 tCs and the average tC has 7,000 miles, that is a pretty good stats for performance, reliability, etc. Hopefully just an isolated incident. We need to hear back exactly what was said after the review.

Kevin

 

Why don't we look at the fact that no one has reported a problem since last September?

Yammering on in a dead thread to keep it alive as if it's a widespread problem is a good way to scare noobs, not much more.

 

sorry but i dont see scionlife as being my biggest supplier of news to see if my car has manufacturing issues or not.

i i dont mind scaring off some newbs to see if anybody else chimes in and especially to figure out if a recall is in need.

 

've read quite abit about this post. and an FYI for anyone driving ANY front wheel drive car: when you oversteer DO NOT HIT THE BRAKES as this will only make the problem WORSE. .

The problem with oversteer is that your rear wheels are moving at a faster rate than your front wheels, thus pushing the back end forward at a faster rate than the front - making the car go sideways....
So if you hit the brakes, which are biased towards the front anyways, your front tires slow down even more thus inducing even MORE oversteer.
Solution - either just take your foot of the gas, or if you are in "OH ____" mode, FLOOR IT and steer in the direction you want to go.
When you floor it, you can equalize the front/rear tire speeds and can most likely make it out of your oversteer problem without doing a doughnut.

now notice this is completely NON INTUITVE. if you were to FLOOR IT in a rear wheel drive car during oversteer, you would be TOTALY screwed.... In a rear wheel drive car, just take your foot off the gas... i don't know what you should do in oh ____ mode because i've never had that experience in the rear wheel drive cars ... (but I can tell you with a Miata, slight oversteer is easily correctable by just lifting from the throttle..)

as for EBD in our cars, if you hit the brakes it should automatically detect that the rear wheels are spinning at a faster rate, and slow those down more than the fronts. However a computer cannot ever compensate where you are in OH ____ Mode...
With this car and a "slight" oversteer the EBD kicks in very abruptly and straightens the car out, however I have no clue how it would react in OH ____ mode, but from the stories i've read, it can't be to pretty. Bottom line is don't press the brakes in "oh ____" mode

 

someone close this thread..... clearly a driver error.... and was going well over 40mph, maybe at impact he was at 40 which mean he was at 75 when he skid off the road in a violent spin.... cmon now

 

dont bash when you werent there.... just leave it alone

 

_didn't read the whole thread_ but....


I'm sorry the car is fvsked up as I just got hit a couple weeks ago. It's hurt. But we've had so many dumsh!ts on this forum complain about the ABS when it's driver error that it's impossible to take anything like your post very seriously. It's a joke really.

Be careful when the roads are bad, and don't swerve to hit animals. It's pretty simple, it may be a gut reaction to swerve but if you cause that much motion fast enough it doesn't matter what kind of car you have, you are going to wipe out. Kill the animal and save your life is what you should do in your instance.