Alas, more "your just whining" comments. All the while failing to address the arguments. We will just have to wait and see, but Scion probably lost 2 sales from my household. Its bad business, not me whining. I bought my Tc, when the sticker was 16 and change. I optioned it out to 19k. I was very happy with it until I started to say, damn, you can get that [other car] for so cheap now. I think that I will be getting the Si, or the Genesis Coupe Turbo here in a few months. I have looked will probably be able to get the Si at 2k off and 2.9% financing, making the car at 20k even and a better interest rate than I got on the Tc (I have decent credit, but alot of student loans). I may also go with the Genesis Coupe, at $23k, but should be able to get about 2k off, 3.9% financing, and the 10 year warranty.

I know that most on this site are current Scion owners, but if your not a fan-boy owner and want to know where the deals are, stay clear of Scion until they drop this pure-price scam, because you can do much better with all of the factory/dealer discounts. Hell, there is a dealership down the street doing buy-one-get-one-free deals on GM vehicles right now. Imagine getting a pickup for 26k and a free G6 to boot.

Sure, youre welcome to say that I am whining, or that the Tc is just another economy car, but if you want to actually argue with me, proceed.

 

^^ well once again that's your opinion..... but just a small piece of advice... if you are considering the Genesis.... check around the web first..... yes they boast their "10 yr warrenty" .... now I've never been an owner of that brand...but I have heard of countless nightmares of people trying to get them to honor the warrenty... like they had to go through zillions of miles of red tape to get them to do anything.... thats just what I've heard. So you might want to check that out before you buy one.

 

Bro you dont seem to get it, delearships are NOW starting to slash prices, CONSIDERABLE. Cutting the price from sticker value, even low financing. Was it like that a year ago? Not really, 2 years ago? Psh, hell no. No way in hell would I buy a tC now if I could get an Si or Evo thousands of dollars cheaper.

Guess what though? I already bought my tC. Nothing I can do about it now. True if I was a new buyer now, id opt for something else. Car buyers arent just looking for the best deals, some are brand loyal, or guess what? Some just like the look of the tC and what it has to give. They dont need to spend the extra $5 for performance, cause they dont care about performance. They like the car. Its priced cheaply, its a good buy. Period.

You can get a car with a better platform at a cheaper price, you are 100% right. Some people dont care about that. It just sounds like you are getting salty for spending money on your tC when you coudve gotten a better car for only a few thousand cheaper. Oh fxking well, get over it. Take the loss and go get a new car or you are stuck with this one. Be happy you have a great car in the tC in the first place, not everyone needs a factory turbo car to be happy.

 

Go ahead and fall for the GM buy one get one free deal. That free car is most likely a 2 year lease like Nissan did last year. A Civic Si 2 years ago was out of my affordability range and reason why I went with the tC. I do like a car that performs but the timing just wasn't right. Fast forward to now with how the market is then yea the Si would be heavily considered for purchase. I wouldn't be in such a hurry to get a car in it's first year as I think it makes those consumers the unofficial beta testers.

 

I 100% agree with you. I narrowed my choice down to the Tc and the Si late 2006, the went w/ the Tc b/c it was a little cheaper as I equipped it and I was sure that the Tc would be faster when I later added the suprecharger.

As I found, though, the Si is still faster than a supercharged Tc. Im glad I waited though, b/c the 2006 Si had tranny problems, being its 1st year out.

 

Its not all about speed. Civic Si or supercharged tC, both are still slow.

 

Ive ridden in a Viper, Ive driven an AMG CL63, so I know speed. Both are 600+ horsepower cars. The insurance on both of those is more than a payment on a Civic Si. So, for me the speed of an Si or a supercharged Tc is plenty.

 

But.....

...its still slow.

 

Fine, you win. They are slow.

I want to get the awd Infinity G37 coupe. I probably will a few years out of law school. My current income/loan-debt just wont allow. Ive tried every scheme to come up w/ a way to make the payments, but it wont work.

So, Im stuck with the choice of upgrading my Tc, or getting something else. The Tc is just out of warranty. Ive got the Trd exhaust, trd drop in, fogs, spoiler, pedals, sills, bazooka sub, ect. Im debating whether I want to power up the motor or just get something else.

My complaint came up when the idea of just getting another Tc came up. I though, well, I should be able to get a great deal on a stock Tc and could turbo it. The dealer would not budge and offered me a bad trade for mine. My wife wants to part w/ her awd subaru impreza and was looking at an Xb, on which the dealer would also not budge.

So, we went across the street to the Honda dealership, who was offering good deals on the CRV and their civics. I could not help but get a little ____ed at Scion, because I love my car, and wanted to stay with Scion, but, I just think in this economy a "deal" is in order.

Hence my belief that Pure-Price needs to go. Because, a car like the Si, comes standard w/ pedals, spoiler, differential, 200hp, subwoofer, foglights, ect, that to similarly equip a Tc would cost more - the net result being that if you want almost any of those options, dont get a new Tc.

 

well if i were u i would be sure of what ur getting into though, there seem to be alot of variables ur missing and i hope u dont end up taking this huge loss and still not getting what you really want. someone on this or another forum were talking about how the whole buy one get one free deal was basically a scam and you dont really come out any better than just buying one car. also make sure these are out the door prices with no additional fees at all or taxes or title or anything!! u know cus that can really be the fine print that makes the difference. also i wouldnt get a si but do what u want. im not a fan boy but i dont really believe the si is faster than a supercharged tc. i have heard of it doing better at not straight lines but that was on a 05-06 model and i would guess a 07-09 model would do better. but the tc is better if you are trying to make anything faster than that though because its hard to turbo an si. theres a topic about this going on at another tc forum right now if u search. why dont u get a wrx? u can make those fast and there relatively cheap? or a used 350? your not even gonna be getting anything really getting an si... more hp and less torque..wow

 

i started reading this thread when you first posted it but opted to stop reading it somewhere around the 3rd page.

from skimming over it right now i can tell that MANY people have brought up MANY points with evidence to back their points up.

yet you still continue to argue, so im gonna go ahead and have to say...yes, you are def. whining.

if you dont like it, write a letter to Scion corporate and move on, theres plenty of other cars out there for you to purchase and no one is holding a gun to your head and making you buy a scion.

 

Im simply shocked that people on the Scion blog think that Scion can do no wrong. Shocked.

 

im simply shocked that you dont understand what pure pricing is. Shocked.

 

and since when is this a blog? of course we think Scion can do no wrong. i mean you did post this on a SCION forum.

 

I like pure pricing. Go in. Buy my car. Leave.

When my brother bought his car (maxima) it took an hour and a half not including time spent test driving or paperwork. The sales guy told us he had to call 3 different "managers" to get us a price slightly better than msrp. Not to mention all the BS the sales people were throwing around at each other ( manager, "thanks for coming in on your day off man. We know with a family and everything its really hard for you..." devil horns coming out his head as he looks back at us) Made me sick to my stomach.

Scion dealership. Walk in. "Can I get one in white?" Go to paperwork.

 

Pure pricing FTW.

Scion is doing the smart thing. Look at all the other companies that are filing for bankruptcy and look at Toyota.

GM is failing and I wouldn't help them as a consumer. It's their own problem. Sure, they're slashing prices, but you get this cheap POS car and you're STILL paying more than what it's worth.

Dude, Colorados are going for like 22 and the X-Runners are going for 21.

GEE what would I buy? GM or Toyota? I will never own another American car again and the Korean ones are just shlt to begin with.

Scion doesn't have to slash their price. Regardless of where we lie in the market, no one can conme close to the quality, resale value, and options of a Scion or Toyota. PERIOD.

So go buy your Hyundai Santa Fe already and leave us alone.

 

I don't really think this is a fair comparison.

Scion is only a portion of Toyota's sales and the only portion that has pure pricing. And if you think lack of pure pricing is what is causing the American auto makers to fail, you are very wrong.

You sound like you are comparing the quality of American and Korean cars quality from the 90s to the current quality of Toyota, which again, not really fair.

 

I'm not saying because of pure-pricing, everyone else failed. The Toyota dealership down the road from me is a no haggle pricing too. They have it all listed on the window. The price you see is what you pay.

I'm just saying that the other guys are in trouble and that's why they're slashing their prices. Nobody wants a GM anymore. They have all these huge incentives, yet they still can't move the vehicles off the lots.

And all GM/Korean cars, regardless if they're from the 90s or even today are horrible quality. Yeah, so Kia has their 100,000 miles warranty. I don't know about you, but I don't want to buy a car that I have to take back to the dealership every other week to get serviced. I want to buy a quality car where I won't be wasting my time getting it serviced.

And when I want to move on to a different car, I want a car that has a good resale value. Toyota has cut production, thus, is saving our resale value. GM has more cars than a fat kid's daily calorie intake.

All in all, I want a quality, good resale value car for my money and American/Korean companies just aren't cutting it.

 

That's a pretty bold statement to make.

Interestingly enough, I decided to look at the J.D. Power Quality Ratings. Now, they are a little biased, but that's mainly because Chevy is a huge advertiser for them but they didn't even give them a great rating. But looking at the other brands.... Scion doesn't do so good. I'm kind of curious where you get your information from.

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...tings-by-brand

 

Back in 2006, we were in a recession. Pure pricing STILL worked. The deals were better than some competitors even in a higher class. Now it's 2009, going into a depression, and dealers are slashing prices. They are slashing prices because they would rather break even on the tens of thousands of cars that are sitting on the lot. Scion, however, only have a few 1000 sitting in lots. When one gets sold, they make a few more. This is ONE factor of why they can't slash prices, as they are already very close to breaking even. If nobody was to ever buy a Scion at this time period, Scion can easily cut their losses because they are only losing a few rather than other companies in comparison. It's not bad business, it's just business.

Go to a store (Store A) and ask for a certain item, and you get a price. Go to another store (Store B), and ask for the price on the same item. Store A has a cheaper price and is stiff on it, store B has a higher price but is willing to match -10%. You can't keep going back and forth telling each store to slash their prices just because one is undermining the other. It would be good for the customer, but both stores will result in closing down.

As stated by others, Toyota prides itself on reliability, and that is exactly why Toyota is on THE top of the market. Honda is a close second but they are slightly tapping into a different market. Hyundai has one "great" car ("Car of the Year"?) but does that make the Hyundai brand one of the best? Not really.

We're not telling you to buy a Scion, we're telling you why you should. There's a difference. And even if you didn't buy a Scion, you are still more than welcome into the forums.