Hoodie...my bro.... damn that's funny... this thread has turned into something so bad... its like a donkey show.... it's so sick an repulsive...but yet you cant look away... lmao. :D

 

I have a few things to add. Everyone can have their opinion. But it is obviously not proven about the price scion is paying. Stop whining. If you want to buy a scion do it. If not shut up. Obviously they have been doing something right. It's cheaper to buy a tc than any other car in it's category with the extras added on.

 

o..and rdz...i wasn't basing the price comparison on a tc and a si...(not honda fan, just everyone compares tc to this)....and i was talking price out the door...and seeing the testimonies on this page about how ppl r getting si's for a lot less than msrp and tc's everyone getting at the same price...

talking out the door price makes more sense...and i would argue right now even though i would never buy a honda again that for ppl unbiased against the manufacturer the si seems to be a better deal considering power and blah blah blah

 

Where exactly has it been proven that the camry is a more reliable car then the tC?

 

the only thing is our cars were made to handle more than the 160HP stock.

Because of the TRD S/C our cars come stock with a 9.6:1 Compression Ration which is pretty low.

As far as evidence, theres 7 pages right here that i encourage you to go back and read through. i saw quite a few informative posts in those 7 pages.

 

What more proof is needed to purepricing working, besides the fact that every one of scions models thus far as remained unchanged for a few years of each of their runs and still sold? Now we have a new XB, and a totally new xA (xD)

It takes a decent company and selling scheme to sell a car, every year, with nothing changing between years besides color. They must be doing something right, no?

As far as bang for the buck you want room and want a Camry, then I have no further reason to discuss the purepricing situation with you.

I will say though, my girlfriend has an xb2 and I couldn't find another vehicle with more bang for the buck for me than her car, for a family vehicle. It lacks a great looking interior, but for the PUREPRICED MRSP, it's a good deal.

 

atleast i think we can agree that ppl considering to buy a scion in the future should use their common sense to figure out if scion is paying less for their parts now than 2 yrs ago and since i cant find evidence should try to find something that contradicts or supports the decision and make it based on ur findings

 

i never said camry more reliable...i argued that if you turboed a tc to give it the same hp as a v6 camry it would be less reliable....and im pretty sure all the FI guys will testify to this

 

let me try to explain this as best i can for the thick headed people who still dont seem to understand.

SCION'S ARE PURE PRICED
meaning, the price you see in an Ad is the price you pay.
nothing more...nothing less.

since Toyota barely makes any money off the sale of a Scion, they need to make the money somewhere.

This is where Scions reputation for being completely customizable comes into play.

While the initial purchase of the car may be very quick and easy, the part where they get you is the add on's.

That is where all the profits are made.

Not to mention things like paint protection, warranty, interior packages, blah blah blah.

i must've argues with the accountant for at least an hour when i bought my second tC. she kept pushing me to get the extended warranty and refused to listen to what i was telling her (which was that the car would be completely ripped apart within 1 hour of it being in my possession.)

 

i actually like the xb and woulda bought one except for the interior....i cant stand everything right in the middle

 

the v6 camry has roughly 270 HP with a curb weight of 3,280 lbs
our cars have 160 HP with a curb weight of 2,905 lbs (manual trans)

270 HP can easily be reached with a turbo tc and still remain reliable with the proper parts, install, tune, and maintenance.

 

yellowhoodie

i understand the pure pricing thing...i am merely arguing that for the current economy in my opinion that the price is not close enough since other carmakers ...of course w/quite a bit of haggling are coming closer to invoice price than scion is currently offering...if their pure price went down a little to reflect the economy i would be back on board and get a tc instead

 

You could actually have a pretty reliable turbo tc if all you're looking for is 268hp.

The camry is also like 350lbs heavier, so whats that like 30 less hp it needs to make for it to be the same performance wise? Just a guess.

So 240hp, absolutely reliable on the tc with the proper turbo setup, and a small bit more power than the camry.


So really, no, the tc wouldn't become unreliable if made the same power (power/weight ratio) of a camry.

And thats based off the 08 v6 Camry specs.



If Scion took $300 off the tc to "adapt to the economy" or however you'd like to say it, that would make you go from a 4door, family car to a 2dr economy car?

You're confused.

 

yea, thats the thing your not grasping, its not going to go down.
it cant go down anymore, they will loose money.

 

yes...i no it can be reached in a tc...but honestly...this just comes down the opinion...i am forced to think that at lets say 150k miles since u can easily avg that on a car treated right these days...but at 150k miles i would argue that you would have put more money into the tc compared to a v6 camry...seals breaking...new tune needed...etc etc...there are simply way more variables in a turboed car getting 270 hp as opposed to a car that is stock tuned to 270 hp...

 

i realize its not gonna go down...atleast if it does not anytime soon...so thats y im switching..

rdz designs...i wanted a nice big car that i could use forever, and then buy a faster car later on in life

or buy a car now and make it as fast, and buy a big car later on in life..

the tc still being pure priced in this economy is what made me get the camry now instead of later...who nos...if the economy goes up and the price still remains the same i might ****** one up in the future....and i realize that there are other cars i can turbo and go faster...but im a toyotaholic and only want toyota and i dont like the v6 solara or anything else...

 

Two different cars, any buyer in their right mind wouldn't even compare the two.

Family car, 4dr

Economy car, 2dr

Turbo the tc, fun car to drive. Drive the kids to Soccer in the camry. Two different vehicles. You either need one, or want the other.




If you like Toyota and want something with some scoot for a family, buy a v6 rav4

 

not bashing or anything but indiantc... you do realize that the base block for the tC came out of the Camry that has been tested for zillions of miles over the years ....right?....granted it was tuned top end new for the tC...but the basic principle for the 4 cly. came from a long heritage... which for long life... I'll gladly take any day of the week.

 

You could also get a pretty reliable 300 HP car if you just go buy a Mustang GT that will be selling for 24K pretty soon. About the same price that you would have to put into the Tc to make that kind of power.

I just dont think that the 2-door Corolla (aka Tc) is worth what they are charging right now. Dont get me wrong, I love my car, but I dont think that I would buy another one unless the price comes down a bit.

 

Jake stop the posting.

The horse is dead, please don't beat it anymore.

You are not the target audience of the Scion anymore.

We all get it.

<Scraps up dead horse flesh from the Forum floor>