ok seriously, this topic and the related replies just seem to escape me.
why, are people really trying to compare the integra to a Tc? especially the type R?

if we all remember Tc stands for: touring coupe
that means it is in a different type of class altogether.

single handidly, we are behind R+D just from the shear fact that the integra has been out for so many more years and has been raced a lot longer. we are trying to compare 1.8l engines to 2.4l engines and cant figure out why we dont make as much hp.
in common engine effeciency a bigger engine wont rev as happily as a much smaller engine. what we lack in engine hp we make up for in displacement and hence, torque. torque that even the 1.8l engines just try to make.
yeah we cant really rev but at the same time they cant make power down lower. in the sactioned racing world the Tc is in the 2.0l to 2.5l group whereas the integra stands in the under 2.0l class and weight..

remember torque wins on the streets.
plain and simple, we cant compare these two cars because of a couple of reasons;
1. the integra is a luxury car (technically, it is)
2. they are made to rev and be a high speed engine
3. the Tc is made to commute at low torque speeds
4. the difference in age and upgradability doesnt match to the integra(not yet at least)

so what if they are around the same size but you dont see people trying to compare a mini cooper-S to a honda fit either do you?

 

I don't want to start an argument man but maybe the other gsr is f***d up. I never miss a shift and I can't beat a gsr you must've raced an LS wannabe or something.If you even do all of the math the numbers don't add up. Like I said I'm not hating I just know you can't beat it with just an axel back nitrous maybe?? I'm not sure but I think a GSR runs 15.3 A pro driver makes the tc run a 15.6 with full race slicks and perfect condition no alternator or starter no way in hell. The gsr must've had a slipping clutch or something!!

 

HAHA thats why i ran a 15.6 and i missed 4th BAD, hit the rev limiter about 5 times, (i wasn't paying attention cuz i watching the pretty camaro roast me, lol.) And my buddy Jeremy ran a 15.5. Oh and neither of us are anywhere near pro drivers and we were both on street tires. I'm not saying we would beat a gsr either, but your numbers are a little off... Oh yeah and we both have our alternators and starters and the air intake temp was 130 degrees F (90 deg F ambient) far from perfect

 

HAHA thats why i ran a 15.6 and i missed 4th BAD, hit the rev limiter about 5 times, (i wasn't paying attention cuz i watching the pretty camaro roast me, lol.) And my buddy Jeremy ran a 15.5. Oh and neither of us are anywhere near pro drivers and we were both on street tires. I'm not saying we would beat a gsr either, but your numbers are a little off... Oh yeah and we both have our alternators and starters and the air intake temp was 130 degrees F (90 deg F ambient) far from perfect[/quote]

Ingalls ETD, Redline MT-90, DC Sports Header, Invidia S-Pipe, custom 2.5" Full exhaust system, Magnaflow High Performance OEM stlye muffler, Aero turbine resonator,Fidanza lightweight flywheel, Weapon R intake with custom ram air,, If I had all of that that my time would be lower too. And you could beat a gsr with those times just fyi. BTW I was noticing you had a flywheel does your car still idle cleanly??? OH and also I just saw those time from scion and Sport compact car I don't really know if he had slicks or all that other stuff but I've heard that Toyota removes all of their starters and alternators for HP runs at the crank and track times and they have a pro driver run the car. JUst stating facts.

 

analyse this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0fKxbdts9A

 

Deviousjet - Yeah my cars runs very smooth with my flywheel.. idles nicely. It is one of my top two favorite mods, next to my ETD..

Are you thinking about getting a lightweight flywheel? I would recommend it if you are!

 

B16 engine in a heavier Integra!!!! I and anyone that knows how to drive their tc right can destroy na b16's with slight mods. We are talking about the 180 hp gsr not the limp fish b16. Just fyi!!!!

 

cant u read the title and the info????he has a B18 engine... not b16...

 

well whatever, i gave an oppurtunity(sp?) to prove myself and noone bit at it. So I'm done. I don't do bench racing just because a car has said horsepower and another has a lower said horsepower doesn't mean the lower will lose. Slower cars beat faster ones everyday. Just because the driver of the faster one can't drive aswell or whatever. But asfar as me and this thread goes

 

in the beginning of the vid it does say b16 engine. still ur smoking him and keeping up to an eclipse turbo.

 

^^^ yeah i know i put the b16 in the vid by mistake... but i corrected it in the INFO...

 

type-r integras are the **** and gsr are okay but overall type-r own our car in performance and it also comes with and lsd as a standard feature which means better of the line on a race from the dig/ they also run in the 14s stock so performance wise get a type-r integra.

 

"type-r integras are the **** "

??????

 

Gsr come with 170 not 180

 

no more hondas for me 2 stolen already screw that!!

 

Today i ran a couple of runs with my friends GSR out in the cuts.. My tC with injen intake and hks exhaust upgrades. VS. My friends Stock Integra GSR.both on 17's. and i must say i was surprised with the outcome. his gsr was actually keeping up with my tc, neck and neck untill i was 2 car lengths ahead and i kept pulling. second race, was also went neck and neck through 1st and 2nth gear but i still managed to beat him by a car length. overall i thought it was a good match between the two. it was a good race...

 

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gsr comes with 15" not 17". the extra weight on those wheels i think would make a difference. gsr stock rear sway bar is like a puny 14mm compared to the TC's. stock for stock, i would like to say they are pretty even given their engine size, weight, and suspension. but with few minor upgrades such as springs, and rear sway bar, there shouldn't be any reason a GS-R will lose to a TC.

but what do i know. it's been a while since i have driven a stock integra. currently my gsr has front splitter, shocks, springs, LSD, rear sway bar, summer tires, steel braided brake lines, and upgraded brake pads, strut/pillar bars and CAI. =P

 

So you're saying that stock for stock they are even, and a modded GS-R shouldn't lose to a stock tC, seems a little obvious?? Or are you saying Integra's mods are just so much better and the same mods on both cars will still make the Integra faster? I really wouldn't know because there are no GS-Rs around here that i've seen to be able to compare, i'm guessing they are all stock around here cuz i ALWAYS just walk right past them, i never ran against one that was even close..

 

a modded GSR should not use to a modded TC on the track. drag is a different story and i was never into drag racing. the parts for both cars are pretty much the same in terms of quality i think. Almost everyone makes stuff for both cars now a days. it's just that the integra is easier to control and thus you can squeeze more out of one than a TC which i would say, only has a torquey motor.