So...I just test drove a 06 Civic Si...
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But you realize what happens to gas mileage when you put a S/C on a tC right?
You have to factor that in too.
You have to factor that in too.
If you drove the Si to feel v-tech every time, and drove a S/c to hit 6000k rpm everytime...same poop.
Like I said if performance isn't a top priority then I definitely understand.
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Si goes for around $24,000 - $26,000 (So Cali w/dealer markup).
I just laugh at their faces. For that much money, I'd rather get a WRX or Speed3.
I don't regret not getting an SI since I don't think it worth the extra $7,000 I would've paid for over my tC.
I just laugh at their faces. For that much money, I'd rather get a WRX or Speed3.
I don't regret not getting an SI since I don't think it worth the extra $7,000 I would've paid for over my tC.
Trust me, not every Si owner payed that much. Probably not even most...
Just depends how you're getting it. Cash? Finance? Lease?
All depends.
On that note, most people don't WANT to go through all the trouble of finding a salesman that won't be a total screwhole to you, and then have to haggle with him to pay what the car should be worth. I just walked into a dealership, told them what I wanted, had them order it for me, and a month later I had a Scion exactly how I wanted it. No hunting, no haggling, no fussing (except for the delivery). </threadjack>
If you let customer service decide what car you get, it just shows a lot of character. I mean unless a car isn't a big deal to you, then fine. A quick purchase and you're on the go sounds fine.
However, if you're into performance or into cars in general, letting a salesman determine what car you will drive?
Yeah...thats why facts about how "most" people in the US are pretty ____ poor.
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Originally Posted by Matt_Burgess
Whats all this talk about waiting till the vtec kicks in,, 
lol All that stands for is Variable valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control. The system is always on from 0 to 8500 rpm, That would be the same as saying wait until are vvt-i Kicks In.. 
Anyways back to topic. I love how all the civic si's always look at my car as i drive by them, at redlights and stop signs. I always wonder what there thinking
lol All that stands for is Variable valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control. The system is always on from 0 to 8500 rpm, That would be the same as saying wait until are vvt-i Kicks In.. Anyways back to topic. I love how all the civic si's always look at my car as i drive by them, at redlights and stop signs. I always wonder what there thinking
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Originally Posted by flint_08
I test drove both. In all honesty, other than the LSD and the much higher redline, I liked the tC much better. I gave both honest and true consideration. Along with the V6 Mustang and the new Lancer as well.
Out of all of them, for the money the tC came with the most. And it is fine as heck to drive, especially after your put about $1200 in suspension work.
If you were to get the Spec version of the tC, with the S/C and coilovers it would still be less than the Si. And overall perform MUCH better.
Out of all of them, for the money the tC came with the most. And it is fine as heck to drive, especially after your put about $1200 in suspension work.
If you were to get the Spec version of the tC, with the S/C and coilovers it would still be less than the Si. And overall perform MUCH better.
However with the s/c in, you're MPG goes way down...you need an exhaust too.
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Originally Posted by Ace83
the thing w/ si with vtec is that if you daily drive you get good mpg coz you dont rev high but if you want power or when you race you can take advantage on the vtec, lol i dont think vvti kicks and gives you power at high rpms though. I dont think the low end torque advantage of tc is that big for you to say "tc is better, faster in daily driving because of low end torque" yeah low end torque is great but i dont think the difference is that high between si and tc. And IMO i think vtec that honda/acura brags is overated though yes it kicks but some people just brags about them like they are 75 shots of nitrous or something
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Originally Posted by cwayne
High reving cars are usually overpriced.
Civic SI: $24,000
Corolla XRS: $19,000
Celica GTS: $24,000
RSX-S: $24,000
My Scion only cost me $18,000 and if I want more power, I just spend another $2,200 on TRD supercharger (price went down) and I have power and torque.
Civic SI: $24,000
Corolla XRS: $19,000
Celica GTS: $24,000
RSX-S: $24,000
My Scion only cost me $18,000 and if I want more power, I just spend another $2,200 on TRD supercharger (price went down) and I have power and torque.
Yeah high reving cars are overpriced because of the engine...it's known?
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Originally Posted by Seanskee
haha this post is funny...ya'll should of just bought an '08 XB, then there wouldn't of been any regrets j/k. but seriously, I can't believe this thread was even brought up. simply ridiculous. these cars are economical, so to argue about performance and such as if it really matters to the 1/4 mile is getting carried away. "ya dude, i hit low 14's on the strip with my SI...top that!".
the real reason why SI's aren't hot is because they look like Saturns haha. and finally, you're all TC owners so hug and kiss...you all made the same decision in the end by not picking up a crappy SI
the real reason why SI's aren't hot is because they look like Saturns haha. and finally, you're all TC owners so hug and kiss...you all made the same decision in the end by not picking up a crappy SI
Mid 14's is not bad at all for a 4 banger.
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Well, ive seen more than a handfull of si owners thowing down mid 14's stock. tc has a hard enough time doing that with the S/C, lol
Honda would not let me even test drive the thing till they ran my credit, and saw I had a large down payment........at that point when I was done I left and went to Toyota.......in the end good customer service and a lower price to go was the winner.....sorry honda........
The Si is a quick car...when speaking of cars the language is so broad it's hard to determine what's what. But mid 14's is great for a 4 banger. The previous (2003-2006 I believe?) hit low 14's. That's with 60 more HP.
It's just funny seeing tC owners sit down and say mid 14's is still (when the subject is only about the Si and tC) slow. How many tC owners will have their tC even hit 14's? Seriously? Bone stock.
It's just human nature though. Broke people act like money ain't a thing when they buy poop. I could sit here and say yeah...100k ain't that much money...and yet I could be stuck on 40k a year.
When buying a car, customer service will just determine who and where I will buy the car from, not the car itself. You must be a flippin' idiot if you let customer service determine your car.
And this is my whole point, lower price...yeah the tC is at a lower price...but as I said originally, if you could legitimately afford both cars, I have a hard time believing you chose the tC.
And nobody ever said the tC wasn't slow. It's slower than an Si, but just because the Si is a tiny bit faster than a turtle, doesn't make the Si some ravenous sports car. Given the choice between cow turd and elephant turd, they BOTH stink! And if one is slightly less stunky than the other, then that's a great thing. But being that one stinks less than the other, i'm not going to have a craving for elephant turds! A turd is a turd. We'd all be driving sports cars if we could afford it. But the fact of the matter is that both cars are SLOW. And i'm not going to pay for an over-priced turd!
For the price, I'd throw in a few grand more and get a real car driving the CORRECT wheels (AWD or RWD). I'd be very happy in a base WRX (non STi) or a 350Z, and those would blow the doors off an Si all day long.
That's my last post on this subject.
Do you realize the Si and the tC are priced differently?
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Why are you even here if you love the Si so much. Most of us are going to disagree with you, and you should know that.
I just read that you get educated and enlightened by whocares... I don't think I've said anything stupid. My thread got attention and opinions...created some conversation.
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Re: Retarded... lol
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Arguing online is like competing in the special olypics. Whether you win or you lose....
You're both still retarded.
Sorry guys, but you both have good points, when cars come this close together on bang for the buck, it pretty much comes down to prefference. And an opinion is neither correct nor incorrect.
You're both still retarded.
Sorry guys, but you both have good points, when cars come this close together on bang for the buck, it pretty much comes down to prefference. And an opinion is neither correct nor incorrect.
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Originally Posted by MilanoRed
woah man, you on a roll with the replies.
Nah, but I just click on quote for every post I want to reply to.
I just wanted to say however, that true this is a never ending argument or debate.
It's just how this community is. Consistent biased against things and not open minded.
However this is how most people are in the world. Thinking rationally is not a common trait.
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the thing w/ si with vtec is that if you daily drive you get good mpg coz you dont rev high but if you want power or when you race you can take advantage on the vtec, lol i dont think vvti kicks and gives you power at high rpms though. I dont think the low end torque advantage of tc is that big for you to say "tc is better, faster in daily driving because of low end torque" yeah low end torque is great but i dont think the difference is that high between si and tc. And IMO i think vtec that honda/acura brags is overated though yes it kicks but some people just brags about them like they are 75 shots of nitrous or something
not everyone picked the tC because it was cheaper you know... I picked it because it seemed like a more reliable platform for boost. (I mean come on, its MADE for it). Honda makes great products, anyone that disagrees with me, thats fine. To the best of my knowledge, honda doesnt offer OEM performance upgrades for the cars (now bikes, the HRC division does).
The age old debate of what you could afford/want goes WELL beyond a civic SI. Id prefer a caymen S, but then I'd have to give up all my other motorsports, and other car too.
The real comparo would be between a s/c tc and a SI as many have suggested.
Honda should of continued the prelude too!
The age old debate of what you could afford/want goes WELL beyond a civic SI. Id prefer a caymen S, but then I'd have to give up all my other motorsports, and other car too.
The real comparo would be between a s/c tc and a SI as many have suggested.
Honda should of continued the prelude too!
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Originally Posted by Whocares05050
Well, ive seen more than a handfull of si owners thowing down mid 14's stock. tc has a hard enough time doing that with the S/C, lol
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haha this post is funny...ya'll should of just bought an '08 XB, then there wouldn't of been any regrets j/k. but seriously, I can't believe this thread was even brought up. simply ridiculous. these cars are economical, so to argue about performance and such as if it really matters to the 1/4 mile is getting carried away. "ya dude, i hit low 14's on the strip with my SI...top that!".
the real reason why SI's aren't hot is because they look like Saturns haha. and finally, you're all TC owners so hug and kiss...you all made the same decision in the end by not picking up a crappy SI
the real reason why SI's aren't hot is because they look like Saturns haha. and finally, you're all TC owners so hug and kiss...you all made the same decision in the end by not picking up a crappy SI
Mid 14's is not bad at all for a 4 banger.
Just accept the fact that your parents spoiled you enough to buy a new TC. Bashing on others' views/reasons of why they bought their TC shouldn't be of your concern. The same couldn't be said for you...you spoiled bastard gettin' me all wild'n out and shhiiee....ahem there's much rationale in doing that!
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You're wrong. There's not a car on this planet that i can't afford & i bought a 2008 tc. It's not my only car but it's definitley the car i drive the most. I understand the si is faster, i was a die hard honda guy when i was younger & have owned a civic si. The fact is, some people just plain like the tc better. You live with your choice & we'll live with ours.
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You're wrong. There's not a car on this planet that i can't afford & i bought a 2008 tc. It's not my only car but it's definitley the car i drive the most. I understand the si is faster, i was a die hard honda guy when i was younger & have owned a civic si. The fact is, some people just plain like the tc better. You live with your choice & we'll live with ours.
Humm on my *****.
^^^ woah dude.. not the right attitude... I too could afford a Caymen S just like I posted about, but it would take EVERYTHING I had to make that plus the mortgage, plus other things...
Its ONLY a car.. I get more a$s cuz I have a phat little house, then a 911 RS. Ive already done the porsche ownership twice, and IF you have ANY idea of what I am talking about - it LOOKS great in the garage, but doesnt look so good when they are in the shop for 3-4 weeks on end. I had a 944T and a 928S. And I cant envision going back to something where a clutch job was in the neighborhood of $2450. Timing belt job w/ water pump (regular maintanence) every 30k or 5 years runs a good $1600. Minor parts are 3 times more expensive, and the labor is double normal rates. (ive paid up to $100 an hour for labor on the 928.. )
im sure the guy your replying to cant really afford "any" car on the planet, but he didnt tell you to flip off either. If money was NOT an object, and I didnt have millions of other bills to pay - damn right, I wouldnt own a tC. But I sure as hell wouldnt own a SI either.
Just take a breather man. Just because its YOUR opinion on the SI doesnt mean everyone else has to take the same stance on it. Its a nice car, and thats just it. Its not a powerhouse sledgehammer (hell even the new SRT caliber makes almost 280HP).
Its ONLY a car.. I get more a$s cuz I have a phat little house, then a 911 RS. Ive already done the porsche ownership twice, and IF you have ANY idea of what I am talking about - it LOOKS great in the garage, but doesnt look so good when they are in the shop for 3-4 weeks on end. I had a 944T and a 928S. And I cant envision going back to something where a clutch job was in the neighborhood of $2450. Timing belt job w/ water pump (regular maintanence) every 30k or 5 years runs a good $1600. Minor parts are 3 times more expensive, and the labor is double normal rates. (ive paid up to $100 an hour for labor on the 928.. )
im sure the guy your replying to cant really afford "any" car on the planet, but he didnt tell you to flip off either. If money was NOT an object, and I didnt have millions of other bills to pay - damn right, I wouldnt own a tC. But I sure as hell wouldnt own a SI either.
Just take a breather man. Just because its YOUR opinion on the SI doesnt mean everyone else has to take the same stance on it. Its a nice car, and thats just it. Its not a powerhouse sledgehammer (hell even the new SRT caliber makes almost 280HP).
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Originally Posted by mmsi1002
You're wrong. There's not a car on this planet that i can't afford & i bought a 2008 tc. It's not my only car but it's definitley the car i drive the most. I understand the si is faster, i was a die hard honda guy when i was younger & have owned a civic si. The fact is, some people just plain like the tc better. You live with your choice & we'll live with ours.
The internet is a nice place for fantasy.