i'm not trying to argue or attack you or anything, but that just doesn't seem possible. a 1.8 4 cyl with a turbo or sc (you didn't say which) that is faster than 4.7 or something sc mustang gt?

my point was that i'm ok with the tc not being super fast, and that if i wanted a pretty fast car, i would have gotten a faster car, like the g35. but i don't like the idea of having to gas up the car every few days so i got a tc and can go about a week before i have to gas up again.

speaking of gas mileage, just out of curiousity, anyone know what the supercharger would do to the gas mileage?

 

have you been under a rock for the past 10 years? we have been pushing our cars to the limit. i been just shy of 500 whp on my integra. couple of my buddys have been able to get up to 600 something hp.

you saying s/c a i4 is stupid is kinda stupid, why s/c a v6 why not just buy a viper and tune that. s/c b18c5 will kill a s/c mustang v6 or a g35.

i could have went out and got a nsx if i liked, but i am not looking to pay 9k a year for my insurnace thats why i got a integra and turboed the crap out of it. yes if a nsx did the same things i did to my car it would be faster but most people wouldnt so as of rite now it cant touch me.

people fix up what they can afford dont go calling them stupid cause they cant afford a more expensive car.

 

it is tempting for me. even though its only 40 hp, at least it will still be covered under warranty if anything happens to it.

 

hmmmmm this is interesting

 

$3200 for 40 hp $80 a hp. it is kinda high but we get tq! and its more city drivable

 

for $3,200 more i could've gotten a SRT-4 or RSX type-s... but i wouldn't be riding in sweet looking ride ;)

 

Exactly man, the money i spent so far add-ons to my tC can well enough bought TSX already. But I chose my baby tC. Enough said! I'm going spent more on a Supercharger or Turbocharger that i could have bought the C230 Sport Sedan?! Ummm...i dunno man!

 

yeah but you know if you got a tsx you would fix it up too. lol and then you woul dhave enough for a 330ci. thats how i think of it yeah i coul dhave got a better car with the money i spent on my cars but i know i woul dhave fix those up too and its a never ending circle.

 

I thought it was going to be like 4000 installed, this is good news to me.......

 

sorry until a scion press release or its on scion.com its still all just a rumor to me.

 

i am pretty sure that from my sources they said that the price of 3200 was tentative and did not include a 5 hour labor charge. whatever the rate is at your respective dealerships.

we all knew it was going to be about 4K for the whole thing but it's under warranty. Everyone is acting like it's not worth it cuz turbo is faster. But i don't see everyone and thier mom running out and getting a turbo cuz of the warranty. So it is worth it in the long run if you want to stomp on Type S's and other miscelaneous cars.

I just hope we can get enough of them

 

I dont understand some of you. You say only 40hp.... but it's a small displacement wheezy little 2.4l.... big in the world of 4 bangers but small in the bigger scheme of things.

If you got 40hp you should be happy because thats a 33% power increase, which is a typical yield for a bolt on supercharger kit with no tuning. It's not a freaking LS1 car so bring your expectations to reality. 40Hp increase is alot for a 2900lb car.

Oh and the high price you pay is because of the R&D. not to say that the turbo kit manufacturers don't put in the r&d, but I have a feeling the TRD will be able to put in a bit more thorough research, so you know that it's a quality part, and plus the warranty.

 

Why supercharge a 4 cylinder? What an absurd question! What you lack in displacement, you make up for with technology. Superchargers and turbos are intended for smaller engines to make up for the fact that they are not large displacment V8s.

Now, as to cost/benefit, y'all are focusing on HP. That's fine if you want to measure how it performs work over time. HP isn't everything and it doesn't express its ability to reach those higher speeds quickly. For that, we need to know the torque number and see the actual torque curve. Because the tC has a relatively large displacement for a 4 cylinder, I'd guess the SC is going to add a fair amount of lower end torque so don't get too exercised by HP numbers just yet.

$3200 isn't pennies, but for this kind of a mod that will be legal in 50 states, pass emissions where required, be covered under factory warranties (including Toyota extended warranties) and be able to be financed under the original purchase of the car, its not a bad deal.

 

And for a $300 Exhaust you get about 3 to 4 horsepower. That's around $75 per HP. However, you can't buy multiple exhausts to add up to 40.

All we've heard are RUMORS that a S/C tC will have around 200 HP. Maybe that's 200 HP at the wheels, if it's 200 WHP, that's not a bad price.

To quote one of my mechanic friends: "Any monkey can throw a turbo on a motor, but it's getting the air/fuel ratio right that makes it a challenge."

He mentioned that most TRD superchargers come with their own fuel management system to get the right ratio.

Yes, gas mileage will most likely go down, but if you're installing a S/C you're not the type to care about gas mileage. But you will have to start buying the more expensive gas.

-Z

 

question i have is....if i get the injen cold air intake, will it still work with the supercharger? I seen a few pics of the supercharger, and some look like they would. Some don't!

Any ideas? Cause I kinda wanna get that too! I want to get the supercharger REAL bad, but only way I probably can is to sell my other car :-/ But it may come down to that...Because I am thinking of how the tC will be with a supercharger, cold air intake, header, and exhaust and whatever minor tuning can be done...it should be pretty fast, but also had nearly 1/2 the mods done of the total cost of the car haha.. And dunno if the engine internals can handle it for xxxxxx miles.

 

Believe it or not, the last time Toyota had a factory SC on a vehicle, it actually got BETTER mileage than the NA model. You have to go back to the 1994 Previa to see this and I don't know if this one will be better or worse, but some superchargers can improve mileage.

The flip side to this is though, with a SC on the car, most drivers are going to get into the throttle a lot more than they otherwise would have. This is what really kills the fuel economy, not really the SC by itself.

 

just because it's covered under warranty doesn't mean that it will be covered under warranty once you take it in due to messing up after racing it alot. dealers are not stupid and know if the damage was done due to over revving. if they find out that thats the case then guess what. no warranty for you and you are stuck w/ the bill. just don't think that you will be God in the streets and "stomp" on most vehicles out there. can't wait till they come out so i can see how well they can keep up.

 

That's actually a good point. In fact, I think the warranty has wording in it about racing. Anything you destroy while racing isn't covered.

 

aside from gas mileage, if the SC is installed on the tC, will you have to start using only 93 octane?? that's weak.. because gas is super expensive here and its hard enough paying for 87.

 

here is a question .. since this talk is a ll theoretical until toyota actaully releases the SC..

let's assume 5 to 6 psi of boost.. with their own piggyback fuel/engine management sys.. are we sure that it will need to run premium fuel.. the would hurt more in my opinion than a little loss of gas milage (if there is a loss of gas milage).. i can see needing higher octain with higher boost... but 5 to 6 psi is really not alot comperatively speaking.. if this management system that is "suppose" to be included in the kit changes the timing aswell.. i dont see why at this level of boost they couldn't get away with regular to mid grade gas..

the ZPI kit seems like a very worth while and well engineered kit.. the only issue i have with it is in the fact that if your already on boos at say 2000 rpm.. your defenetly going to eat up gas, since your going to be on boost 85-90 % of the time.... where the SC may be alittle better on gas if the boost does not come in until later..

now.. $3200 (installed).. means that if you bought it yourself then it may be possible to pick it up for say $2700.. the other issue i have with 3200 is that i really do not want to have a dealer ape... sorry.. mechanic touching my car.. especially with something that important.. and if i did let them do it.. i would want to speak to the mechaninc to make sure he knew what he is doing.. and then i'd want to be there while it is being installed.. most dealer do not let customers in their shop.. not to say that all dealers suck.. but my expirience has not been very good.... there are 2 dealers i would consider letting them touch my baby... but they are "road trip" distances from me..