Hey…if all of you guys are willing to hold off buying this one, while I design the ultra light pulley, I’ll do it.

 

For those who may be interested, I will address a few points and will likely leave this thread after doing so. This may very well be my final reply here.

1. NST has been in business since 2005. And a few of us who have worked on all our products have been working with AUTOMOTIVE PULLEYS for a decade now. We do not copy any other companies' products, nor do we purchase "designs" from anyone else. So the idea of someone approaching us to sell us a design will not be entertained.

2. Our NST CR-Lite Crank Pulley prototype was the same size as the OEM pulley. This is in order to keep all the accessories spinning at the same rate as the OEM pulley because we did not want to underdrive any of the accessories on the second gen tC at this time.

3. No other modifications where done. The ECU was not reset. The dyno calibration did not change. Before and after dynos were all done on the same day. I have already shared all this information with you.

4. Yes, the gains shown have been high at certain points in the power band. This is typical, and even more evident in the case of the tC. The peak gains @ 6000rpm are well within typical gains and should not come as a shock to anyone. Again, I have already shared all this information with you.

4b. We will not hand out any other pulleys for 3rd party testing. We have spent a great deal of cash on development and testing up to this point. The gains have been very extensively tested and all testing was performed without any errors.

5. I have already said that lighter does not necessarily equal better when it comes to pulleys. I will not get into the specifics/engineering/technical reasons here because I have worked very very hard to learn them over the years and do not see a need to share my competitive advantage with the internet because a small few try to turn these threads into ____ing contests.

Our customers (thousands of them who own older Scions) have had nothing but positive results and reviews when it comes to our products. Real products, real world testing, real world reviews. The positive reviews regarding performance AND durability of our products have been posted in numerous threads here on ScionLife. You can read them for yourself if you are interested. NST has been in business for a long time and has always offered the best parts at the best prices.

Group buy info soon.

 

@NST please dont leave this fourm I for one would be upset if you stopped selling and developing products for the tc2. There are not alot of aftermarket parts availble for our cars. Dont let a few mess it up for the rest of us! Stay we want your products and what ever else you have to offer.

 

X2^^ I have access to air tools, but I wanna know exactly how much junk I have to take out of the wheel well to get at the crank.

 

I apologize on behalf of all of us. Though it was one member who incited conflict with you, there were several of us who played a part in the demise of this thread.

Thank you for still supporting a group buy, and I would recommend starting a new thread when that time comes.

 

How can a challenge to do the best that you can be considered “inciting conflict”? That is NOT my intention…my bad for sounding like that!

 

after taking off the front wheel. theres only one piece of the wheel well you have to take out. and thats only liike a few plastic nubs. then your at the crank.

 

Oh well... A guy can dream, can't he? It's always been more about my impatience than the cost anyway. Oh well, guess it's back to stealing jtk2's pulley.

Seriously though, looking forward to the group buy and I do hope our shenanagans don't drive you from the tC2 arena and specifically keep you around on ScionLife.

 

2tc... if u make one and dyno it and prove us wrong, i will buy two from you just because!
im dead serious too....im still in on the group buy for the nst but if u prove us wrong..ill buy one!

 

Totally in on a group buy!

 

I'm in for sure. Let's do this thing!

 

i'm in too!

let's get it on,
like donkey kong,
cuz we've been waiting for so long,
to finally prove 2tCornot2tC wrong
or else we will all have to sing him a song

 

When one of you guys buys one of these NST pulleys, I’d like your OEM pulley…I need it for measurements…PM me for details…Thanks in advance!

 

Having been around ystc and sl for a really long time I have seen this topic rear its ugly head many times(More locked threads than i care to remember). The bottom line is that toyota knows that a harmonic DAMPENER(not to be confused with a harmonic balancer) is required for your engine. Bad things happen in the long run without it. There have been cases of crank seal failure on tC1s and several supras have experienced(among other things) their crank timing wheels breaking(a part which has NO forces applied to it except inertia). Also, you can't claim any HP gains because there are none. All the pulley does is reduce rotating mass, no more, no less. It will however fool a dyno into thinking you have more power. NO ONE has demonstrated a reduction in lap times due to a pulley(Citation needed; prove me wrong). Anyway, read the guys/gals at ystc beat this to death. There is a nice summary on the first page for all you tl;dr'ers.

 

Obviously, there will be cases of crazy things happening in some select circumstances. I'm sure there are cases of cars with stock pulleys experiencing crank seal failure too. If you are very unlucky, sh*t happens. That's the risk/reward of modding.

 

Not really, toyotas that experience crank seal leaks are either really(15-20years) old or have a pulley. It is rare but there is a strong correlation between having a pulley and crank seals failing prematurely. You can mod your car all you want but you need to be aware that this mod removes a part designed to keep your engine from destroying itself. The Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act will NOT protect you with this mod because there is sufficient evidence that it causes all kinds of failures.

 

20+ page long comprehensive ScionLife thread where REAL NST pulley owners, with REAL WORLD experience, have posted their REAL WORLD FEEDBACK on our products. Zero cases of failure when NST pulleys have been used on Scions...

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=154930

There is a great deal of technical information that I have shared with everyone at the beginning, and throughout, that comprehensive thread. Everyone who may be interested in real world testing and real world results that are not based on theory or hearsay should consider reading through the comprehensive thread.

40+ page long independent thread started by a ScionLife member with tons of feedback from pulley owners. Many of whom have 100,000+ miles on their Scions with NST pulleys. Zero cases of failure when NST pulleys have been used on Scions...

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/scion-tc-1g-drivetrain-power-1637/pulley-owners-stand-up-update-61222/


Another comprehensive Toyota thread regarding NST pulleys...
Hundreds of positive feedback when NST pulleys have been used...

http://www.xr-underground.com/forum/...ad.php?t=18434


Honda Civic R18 and Civic Si K20 comprehensive thread...
Hundreds of positive feedback when NST pulleys have been used... No negative feedback...

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/spons...g-pulleys.html


Comprehensive Nissan thread with hundreds of feedback from 370Z owners regarding their NST pulleys.
Nothing but positive reviews from several hundred NST pulley owers...

http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...no-charts.html



NOT ALL PULLEYS ARE CREATED EQUAL, AND NO OTHER PULLEY IS AN NST PULLEY.


MIKE @ NST

 

Wow, you get crap from everyone!

It's all good though. As soon as you're ready to start the group buy, many of us are ready to sign up. Though I agree with whoever said it should be a new thread. Feel free to start one up, have jtk2 do it, or I'd even be willing to run it.

I just want my NST crank pulley!!!

 

Furthermore, we have used these same pulleys on several NST race cars over the past few seasons. We use Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc. engines in these cars and have never needed to replace any of these engines as a result of anything having to do with NST pulleys.

Many of you have seen these cars at live competitions across the US over the past several years. These cars travel the country and compete at national events on a monthly basis.

FOOTAGE ON YOUTUBE: http://youtu.be/e190Yit1_lY

MORE YOUTUBE FOOTAGE: http://youtube.com/nonstoptuning


















MIKE @ NST

 

Race teams aren't going to care about long term damage to their cars. Winning is more important than anything; if your car is worn out at the end of a season it's ok because a successful season will lead to more money from sponsors. Also, most of those are running under drive pulleys which are appropriate because these engines live at high rpms. UR pulleys also give you more gains because all the accessories run slower which leads to them using less power and storing less potential energy(inertia). I have yet to see an improvement in lap times(autox or road course) from only a lightweight pulley(PROVE ME WRONG).

Bottom line: toyota engineers(who are have lots of experience building engines) decided that it would be worth the money to put in that piece of rubber. That thing costs alot of money compared to just casting a solid pulley. Now you have to cast 2 pieces and join them with the rubber. Take the cost of that and labor, multiply by the hundreds of thousands of engines built and you get a truly gigantic number. But in this age of cost cutting for toyota where the engine cover was given the ax and interiors are decontented beyond belief the torsional damper is still there.