New Box is built on the Avensis (sp?) platform....which is the same platform as the tC. Box classic is on the Yaris platform.

Uhm, no engine has reverse, that's a function of the transmission.

If you're gonna drop a bike engine in a box, that would be crazy. Several possibilites come to mind including a 1300 cc crotch rocket motor with a 16k redline. Wow! However, the most intriguing idea would be to put a V-Twin (like from a Harley) so that you could get some killer sound. Nobody would have a clue what was under the hood till you popped it open!


Just keep in mind: Anything is possible with enough money, experience, and tools.

 

noone ever said the process of a swap was easy... regardless of simular mounts or simular this and that, it's a pain in the ****. watch Speed TV sometime when they show teams of guys doing an engine swap on a car and beefing it up... it normaly takes them a WEEK and thats with 4-6 guys workin on it at once... so ofcourse it's a pain... it's not meant to be easy to go from an engine DESIGNED for that specific vehicle to an engine designd for something completely diffrent...

 

All I was going after was to point out that first gen XB owners MAY have a REAL GOOD CHANCE that the cradle from the current xB would be modified for a 2.4. I don't mean they would take the same one, but they would use the same mounting locations for the cradle itself.

Does this mean that the firewall woudln't have to be modified or perhaps new upper mounts would need to be made? No. However, the hardest part in any motor swap is getting it to fit in your application and be square and have a solid subframe. If toyota has taken care of that FOR us... the rest isn't as hard as most think it is.

By the way, my wife is an underbody engineer for toyota and points out to me it is far more likely the cradle mounts would be the same than to completely redesign it. BUT that doesn't make it so! I'm simply 'optimistic' there may be a way to get the 2.4L into the current xB without as much work as it would be to do it NOW.

ALSO, 'platforms' are fairly damn loose to toyota. The Avalon, Solara, and Camry share the same 'platform' yet the Avalon is longer and wider, the solara has a convertable version, etc. The new 'platform' is likely simply a modified version of the yaris platform anyway.

BUT, again, whatever. It may not be anywhere close to being the same... yet you may pop the hood and see a supprise in how close they are.....

Time will tell. I'll be looking at one closely once I can take a peak under the hood. For any record at all, I have done many GM motor swaps and am trying to find a way to get a better engine into this xB... though I don't want to make my own cradle.. I'm simply hoping Toyota takes care of that part for me. The rest I can modify without much issue.

Bah.

 

I simply wish there were performance parts for the current 1.5 - forged internals, etc... that could take boost better.

 

Hey scionofPCFL, alot of street bike engine have the engine and transmission in one block. So they are sepparete parts, but they cannot be sepparated.

 

BoogieQ - as far as i see, noone is saying you are wrong nor is anyone saying you are right. just pointing out the fact that ALL engines swaps being all stock to performance engine swaps are just a pain period regardless if the mounts are close to the same or if enough room is present. just saying the shear process is a pain in it's self, not saying that it's not a good thing for it to be easier if the mounts where the same. in my mind though, the real thing is, sure you got the right mounts... but thats not as tourble-some compared to everything else you have to do... as in fiting the trans line and retuning the ECU and doing all the wiring harnesses and whatnot. thats what the real is in my eyes... give me 30 minutes, some heavy duty scrap metal and a good mig welder and i'll have your mounts ready... it's the other crap i feel takes for frickin ever...

 

like i said a while back. "if money is not a issue than anything is possible." (in materialistic world that is
once again, no one said engine swaps are easy especially if your swapping motors with a totally different type of vehical.
(example) any one seen the big block V8 in a honda hatch? thats probably a lot of time and money. http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...9bea2a5d90.htm

just getting ideas, won't probably try a swap anytime soon. time frame? one to two years. so just keep a heads up. maybe just do internals and F/I it until this one blows up.


-----tom

 

ok my engine is finally starting to fail. after my trip this summer i am SERIOUSLY planning to do an engine swap. i looked for a used xb motor that i can rebuild and tune, found a lot. BUT instead of trying to go for the impossible (big block that is), i was thinking and heard a 1.8 liter SHOULD possibly fit. can some one Suggest a decent 1.8 engine that won't give me to much of a time putting it in or rape me dry. two motor i was thinking was the TC and integra v-tech motors. doesn't have to be v-tech, just plain soch or doch is fine. got about five months total to do this. and oh yea maybe a 1.6 liter as well.


-----tom

 

Honda B16, that should result very nice if you can get it to work, and if you can find one for a decent price. A K20 would also be very cool in our cars. For cheap power, just get any 1.8 liter from a basic honda, or a 1ZZ or 2ZZ from toyota. If you think you could get it to work, any of these engines would be very cool.

 

how about the mounting and trans? how humbug would you say it would be for me to put in? thanks...


-----tom

 

I just can't wait for swap kits for 1.8 liter 1zz. heaven

 

Who is coming out with a kit for a 1ZZ swap?

Also, I wonder if the new xD engine (2ZR-FE) will fit in an xB?

Wouldn't wiring a VTEC engine into an xB be a nightmare? You'll have to build custom mounts for a Honda engine, too (assuming it'll even fit).

 

Its ALOT of work to swap out an engine, but since i don't have the mechanical experience i cant tell you how much trouble its really going to be, the only way to figure out is by doing it yourself and having a REALLY GOOD EXPERIENCED mechanic by your side. Remember: Before you go all crazy mounting things, some things just aren't worth the money, remember that!!

 

it's the easiest thing to swap in.


someone will undoubetdly make a swap kit.

the 2zr is based off the 1zz/2zz so it should fit just the same and the 2zr is no better a motor than the 1zz . wel it is but hardly so . and it'll be MUCH harder to source them.

 

I agree the 2ZR will be hard to source.

The 1ZZ might be the easist to source, but no one has done it yet, so it can't be that easy.

 

dimension wise it's about 1 inch larger in each dimension compared to 1nz. and there's plenty of room .


it has been done. 2zz into a vitz/yaris (less engine room than xA or xB)

 

Alright, I don't want to bring down the mood in here, but I'm not sure I get it. I read HOT ROD and outside of my xB I have a 68 Galaxie XL convertible with a 390, so I get the big engine idea.

I also see the value of a light car with a powerful light engine:
Ryan's Pontiac Fiero (Northstar 4.6 Powered) - www.cardomain.com/ride/758704
The Northstar V8 Toyota MR2 - http://www.v8mr2.com/
Monster Miata - http://www.monstermiata.com/

Here's an interesting article on the subject:
http://www.superstreetonline.com/tec...4_engine_swap/

My confusion is this; why buy a boxy city-cruiser that was made to get awesome gas milage and try to force it to be a race car? If you wanted a race car, shouldn't you have bought something a bit more aerodynamic? If you lke the tC engine, get a tC instead. The price is not all that different. Heck, wind kicks me around on the highway like crazy and if the windows are down when a truck passes so I feel comfortable saying we just don't have the necessary aerodynamics/weight-distribution in the xB to make shine on the track...

Anyway, my opinion is this: If you wish-oh-wish you had a lightweight car with a crazy fast engine, maybe you should sell the xB, make your $12k or whatever and buy an old import compact for cheap with intentions of cutting it's guts out and replacing it with something good and fast.

DISCLAIMER: Don't get all bent up about this. It's just my thoughts in writing.

 

it'a all about making the most out of the car that you have. at least to me .


oh and with the 1.8 liter 1zz or 2zz or 2zr we will get more mpg than with the stock motor. while having 30 more hp give or take .

oh and I allready have multiple plans on other old light fast cars. motorswapped celica , or built dual side drafted celi , gonan either toss in a 7mgte into my truck or just side drafte it


looked at 510's before . looking into mango and peanut corolla's too.


it's all about making a car what you want it to be.

for me a 200 crank hp xb would be perfect. for this car. i love teh shape , interior , blahbidy blah just want more power.

an old rolla , or celie will be fast and fun but not comfy , or dailable , or eh....


oh and aerodynamics? yeah look it up theyre actually DARNED good.

buy a tc? one the tc motor is crap for anything except turboing , and the tc imo is hideous and seems that 80% of it's owners are one of three things none of which I'd like to be associated with.

these three groups are
1 ricers
2 ___ guys
3 girls normally of which their parent's have bought them the car.

 

ouch

 

the tc motor is not a crappy motor...a lot can/has been done with it

a lot of ppl driving tc's dont like the looks of the xb(they're complete opposites...)

not saying i hate the box...not my style, but they are very roomy

anyways, the stipulation is not true of tC drivers...yeah, i had a slight ricer stage with mine, but its on the way out now...im sure as hell not ___, and i am definetly not a woman

so does that mean i should sell my car?

or do you need to get off your soap box(oh thats right....you drive one...my bad man)