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Old Jun 1, 2006 | 10:29 PM
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Old Jun 1, 2006 | 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ZPIracing
car has bigger injectors which come with the turbo kit. No emanage tuning meaning the car has no EMS on it and is running off of our MAF pipe and stock ecu.

The AFR ar in the low 10's entire time under boost. The car is a little rich at part throttle and that is what we will tune out with the emanage.

As far as the auto stuff goes i am unsure at this time. We will be using the eManage ultimate to control the transmission electronics i would assume we will go with lower boost. At this time only time will tell as we will start tuning the auto this weekend.
That explains is. Thanks. 330cc injectors? I appologize for my skeptism but at an AFR of 10 under boost, its hard to see that large of a gain in hp. Could you post the AFR graph from that dyno?
Old Jun 1, 2006 | 11:01 PM
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I know they were working on internals and a head package for the 1NZ.

I think the auto wil be lower just to keep from harming the transmission.

I know they were planning on water or methanol injection so that might keep the temps down and not need an oil cooler. An oil cooler isn't that hard to add to a kit. You just need a place to mount it and lines to run.

I am amazed that this was done without emanage or any other standalone system.

I do have one question. Do you have to run the bumper without the inserts? I know in the pics it shows them off probably for added venting, but some may not like the look.
Old Jun 1, 2006 | 11:26 PM
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bump for kenny!
Old Jun 1, 2006 | 11:33 PM
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Excellent to finally see the numbers. But to be honest this means absolutely nothing to myself and thousands of other potential customers at this point. At least until you are will to address four all important little letters... CARB.

You do that and I'd be willing to bet Hotbox05 would go from on your case to on your nuts quicker than any of your cars have ever turned a quarter.

No offense Darren.
Old Jun 1, 2006 | 11:46 PM
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181whp at 8-8.5psi with an afr of 10?...................................
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by rollhard
181whp at 8-8.5psi with an afr of 10?...................................
no 181 @ 7.5 psi with a afr of 10.x.1
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 12:09 AM
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Did you retard the timing at all? Bigger injectors but stock fuel rail? upgraded fuel pump?
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 12:14 AM
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ok guys off to the track we go
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by -Keith-
Did you retard the timing at all? Bigger injectors but stock fuel rail? upgraded fuel pump?
I would have guess they advanced the timing with those numbers. Well, Ive said it on another thread. If anyone in the so cal area buys one of the kits, ill be happy to dyno it for them for free.

Here are the facts:

stock 90whp and 91wtq average

with these mods:

ZPI turbo kit at 7.5 psi
includes larger injectors
no emanage tuning

There are other mods like exhaust, intake, etc.

gains 90whp with 7.5psi of boost despite running ____ rich.
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ZPIracing
Originally Posted by hotbox05
Originally Posted by hayalex6
Originally Posted by hotbox05
hmm highly doubt it. but cool beans
Dyno's don't prove it to you? Stop being a jackass and realize you were wrong about what you've said in the past, and ZPI rocks.
any dyno can be tampered.


180hp on this car i don't believe it. if theyre doing it how come no bi name multi million dollar companies can't even come close?
We have cooler hair....that is the only reason...True story.

That's all I needed to hear.


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Old Jun 2, 2006 | 12:45 AM
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Nice numbers for an xB. Any engine bay pics?

I saw the car at the dyno today and I am VERY close friends with the owner of automotion, and the dyno operators and I can promise that those numbers were not tampered with at all.

12hp per pound of boost is a little high for a 4 banger but still very feasable. The skeptics may be putting the critisism in the wrong place. I can see some concern with the longevity on this platform but I see no reason to doubt the peak numbers.

Charles
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Originally Posted by TurboCustomz
Nice numbers for an xB. Any engine bay pics?

I saw the car at the dyno today and I am VERY close friends with the owner of automotion, and the dyno operators and I can promise that those numbers were not tampered with at all.

12hp per pound of boost is a little high for a 4 banger but still very feasable. The skeptics may be putting the critisism in the wrong place. I can see some concern with the longevity on this platform but I see no reason to doubt the peak numbers.

Charles
Thanks for the comments. I am not doubting nor I am accusing anyone of tampering with the dyno. I have a dyno here and have tuned MANY cars, both NA and FI. You can understand when these numbers seem very high then, esp with the car running rich. Nevertheless, the people who are very defensive with their comments, saying others will put their foot in their mouths, simply dont know much about anything else than hp numbers. Again, congratulations to ZPI for making the 181whp mark. I think enough has been said and the questions that havent been answered yet, probably wont be.
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 01:16 AM
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F. 502.371.4918

1-866-845-1807.........toll free

Maybe give ZPI (Kenny) a call and you can get your questions answered. It worked for me......
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ProshopXB
F. 502.371.4918

1-866-845-1807.........toll free

Maybe give ZPI (Kenny) a call and you can get your questions answered. It worked for me......
Thanks for the info
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 01:51 AM
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amazing! =D

when does finalization begin...

and also the question regarding "warranty" is there any?

and if im reading it correctly, the only thing missing from the kit that we do not get is the exhaust?

+i have no real experience w/ turbos other than i used to own a saab spg... if one were to purchase the kit, they could not run it on their existing exhaust? why/not?

SENSEZ]
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Originally Posted by sensez
amazing! =D

when does finalization begin...

and also the question regarding "warranty" is there any?

and if im reading it correctly, the only thing missing from the kit that we do not get is the exhaust?

+i have no real experience w/ turbos other than i used to own a saab spg... if one were to purchase the kit, they could not run it on their existing exhaust? why/not?

SENSEZ]
Before I went with the kit I have now, I looked into other kits, ZPI being one of them. http://www.turbo-kits.com/xA_xB_turbo_kits.html That place has had the ZPI kit listed for over a month now. From their information the kits come with a 1 year warranty. Im assuming that covers manifold cracks (since its an ss manifold) and pipe cracking/fitment, etc. I wouldnt worry about that too much though. Kit warranty is small compared to a blown motor.
Old Jun 2, 2006 | 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by rollhard
Originally Posted by TurboCustomz
Nice numbers for an xB. Any engine bay pics?

I saw the car at the dyno today and I am VERY close friends with the owner of automotion, and the dyno operators and I can promise that those numbers were not tampered with at all.

12hp per pound of boost is a little high for a 4 banger but still very feasable. The skeptics may be putting the critisism in the wrong place. I can see some concern with the longevity on this platform but I see no reason to doubt the peak numbers.

Charles
Thanks for the comments. I am not doubting nor I am accusing anyone of tampering with the dyno. I have a dyno here and have tuned MANY cars, both NA and FI. You can understand when these numbers seem very high then, esp with the car running rich. Nevertheless, the people who are very defensive with their comments, saying others will put their foot in their mouths, simply dont know much about anything else than hp numbers. Again, congratulations to ZPI for making the 181whp mark. I think enough has been said and the questions that havent been answered yet, probably wont be.
Trust me, ZPI and I have butt heads more times then not. I completely understand that the numbers seem high to some and I would LOVE to see an air fuel chart as well to confirm the 10.X:1 afr's. Especially since there is a HUGE difference between 10.1:1 and 10.9:1 afrs.

I agree as well that a lot of people blindly accept things, especially online, and that many people on here dont know enough about these things to ask the proper questions, and that some of the proper questions often times dont get answered, or answered entirely.
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Originally Posted by rollhard
Originally Posted by ZPIracing
car has bigger injectors which come with the turbo kit. No emanage tuning meaning the car has no EMS on it and is running off of our MAF pipe and stock ecu.

The AFR ar in the low 10's entire time under boost. The car is a little rich at part throttle and that is what we will tune out with the emanage.

As far as the auto stuff goes i am unsure at this time. We will be using the eManage ultimate to control the transmission electronics i would assume we will go with lower boost. At this time only time will tell as we will start tuning the auto this weekend.
That explains is. Thanks. 330cc injectors? I appologize for my skeptism but at an AFR of 10 under boost, its hard to see that large of a gain in hp. Could you post the AFR graph from that dyno?
370cc Injectors.

We do not use the dyno's wideband.. We were using a Innovate LM-1 wideband in car.
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Originally Posted by nester
Originally Posted by rollhard
Originally Posted by ZPIracing
car has bigger injectors which come with the turbo kit. No emanage tuning meaning the car has no EMS on it and is running off of our MAF pipe and stock ecu.

The AFR ar in the low 10's entire time under boost. The car is a little rich at part throttle and that is what we will tune out with the emanage.

As far as the auto stuff goes i am unsure at this time. We will be using the eManage ultimate to control the transmission electronics i would assume we will go with lower boost. At this time only time will tell as we will start tuning the auto this weekend.
That explains is. Thanks. 330cc injectors? I appologize for my skeptism but at an AFR of 10 under boost, its hard to see that large of a gain in hp. Could you post the AFR graph from that dyno?
370cc Injectors.

We do not use the dyno's wideband.. We were using a Innovate LM-1 wideband in car.
Do you have any screen shots of the data logs to post up?

Innovate comes with a VERY nice data logging software that is extremely comprehensive.



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