We have cooler hair....that is the only reason...True story.

 

Just saw it, im blind. That makes it even worse. Cant believe they think the dyno was rigged...

 

I may have missed it, but which company did ZPI go to to dyno the xB?

 

hey at least this guy's got a sense of humor

 

i know right why would they when it came time when the kit is being mass produced and people start putting them on the dyno and only see 116 i think they would have alot of mad people and im sure they wouldnt want that

 

omfg, this is awsome, great job, cant wait till the xA one comes out. please put it out before i get married so she cant say no to it

 

Heres my concerns..

- No emanage tune, or any other ecu tune? How are you guys not running too lean or too rich automatically? Tons of people have had issues with the ecu, including me on the n/a route. I know you guys do this for a living, but that sounds fishy to me unless you have an explaination.

- 8psi and 180whp? I've seen a 7.5psi, fully tuned xb hit just above 140-145whp, i do realize that this can be human error, and more than likely is but thats a huge jump with only .5psi, is there something your keeping secret?

- What are your goals for the automatic xb?

- I plan to trade my xb in for the yaris hatch, can you guys work with me if this kit proves to me to be reliable and produce a kit for the yaris guys? Or make a custom one for me?

Thanks.

 

Automotion, but we might take it over to Clemons and hit the ol' dynojet up. It's just A) more expensive and b) further away and c) well.. there's no c.

 

when the dynoed theirs it was boosting only at 7.5 psi

 

when is it hitting full boost

 

~3700rpm

 

Runs low 10.x:1 AFR's under boost.

145whp @ 8psi on what turbo though. 8lbs on one turbo might not be the same air on a different turbo. 8psi on a GT12 is not the same air as 8psi on a GT42..

 

I'm not sure on the turbo, i do realize all turbos are not equal, but it just seemed odd that 40whp gain on the same boost. I'm not putting you guys down for what your doing, i doubted the numbers and you've prooven me wrong. I don't claim to know everything about boost, infact i've said numerous times i know more about n/a than boost, because well, thats where 90% of my experience is. The only boost applications i've been apart of is helping with installs, and i've helped once or twice with the tuning process.

Do you plan to invest in some kind of stand alone in the future for a possible different stage? Something like the tC where you have stage 0 and stage 1, do you plan to do something along the lines of this with the xb only including a stand alone? You could yeild a lot more whp with a good tune, which is something i'm sure you guys can do.

 

The kit will come with ore tuned emanage. The point of not having one on the car was to prove that with a correctly built MAF pipe you can run these cars safely with out a piggy back unit.

We engineer the kits to work before the emanage, thus making our tune less critical and easier to duplicate the numbers in all parts of the country. This is why our tC kit makes the same or similar power in AZ, TX and KY etc..

The turbo selection, intercooler design, piping design, pipe diameter, etc… All play an affect on overall performance. We spend a lot of timing perfecting this stuff using software, flow charts, and sometimes good ol' fashion trial and error.

To say why we can and some can't I can not answer. I would say more than anything is they can they chose not to. Call one of the Big 3 as we call them and try to talk to a tech on the phone. It is close to impossible. They build this stuff over seas and they ship it here and sell it to their dealers. You will buy it regardless so why take the time and money to design it right when you can design it cheap. We are a smaller company that takes a lot of pride in our customer service and our products. We feel this gives us the advantage as we can perfect each system as we are in no hurry to move on to the next one.

You really can not compare the s/c to a turbo in the first place. And we have not really seen any other turbo kits out there. The Greddy kit uses a smaller turbo, intercooler and piping. I am sure this has a lot to do with the power differences.

If you have any other questions please feel free to post and please ignore my grammatical errors. Luckily, spelling is not my career.


-Kenny

 

sweet, impressive numbers guys

 

Most turbo kits are custom that people have. So i take you guys don't have an idea for the auto as to power? Do you plan to try and make similar power or less? I'm sure you guys realize this, but for automatic guys the need for atf cooler is pretty much a given. Later down the road, developing a shift kit would also be a great benefit towards you guys. Because i've seen 120whp on a xb have sloppy shifts, 150whp+ on a auto would be fun but extremely sloppy.

 

Thanks for posting the dyno graphs. I had a few questions though. What was the AFR throughout the powerband for you to get those numbers? Also, under your mod list, I didnt see any fuel mods. Was the 180whp done on the stock fuel system? What exactly did you guys mean by no Emanage tuning?

Thanks in advance.

 

what kind of warrenty is offered with kit? after all of the EL Prototypes turbo stuff i'm worried about longevity. any plans on making stronger internals...i know back when EL Prototypes was on this board they had some part that kept breaking....

 

car has bigger injectors which come with the turbo kit. No emanage tuning meaning the car has no EMS on it and is running off of our MAF pipe and stock ecu.

The AFR ar in the low 10's entire time under boost. The car is a little rich at part throttle and that is what we will tune out with the emanage.

As far as the auto stuff goes i am unsure at this time. We will be using the eManage ultimate to control the transmission electronics i would assume we will go with lower boost. At this time only time will tell as we will start tuning the auto this weekend.

 

i wonder how much a differance ported heads will make with the turbo