ZPI Turbo Kit driveway install (NSF56K) Removal
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Oh the joys of hunting down problems.
Current Problems:
No power at WOT, just a loud hissing. Partial throttle boosts ok.
Smoke when I spool and boost first couple times none after that.
Vacuum leak somewhere causing low surging idle. I belive this might be tied to the WOT problem.
And the cars still needs a tune.
Guess I have to get back under there and check the WG and IC piping at the turbo.
Current Problems:
No power at WOT, just a loud hissing. Partial throttle boosts ok.
Smoke when I spool and boost first couple times none after that.
Vacuum leak somewhere causing low surging idle. I belive this might be tied to the WOT problem.
And the cars still needs a tune.
Guess I have to get back under there and check the WG and IC piping at the turbo.
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Originally Posted by TuningIsLife
Oh the joys of hunting down problems.
Current Problems:
No power at WOT, just a loud hissing. Partial throttle boosts ok.
Smoke when I spool and boost first couple times none after that.
Vacuum leak somewhere causing low surging idle. I belive this might be tied to the WOT problem.
And the cars still needs a tune.
Guess I have to get back under there and check the WG and IC piping at the turbo.
Current Problems:
No power at WOT, just a loud hissing. Partial throttle boosts ok.
Smoke when I spool and boost first couple times none after that.
Vacuum leak somewhere causing low surging idle. I belive this might be tied to the WOT problem.
And the cars still needs a tune.
Guess I have to get back under there and check the WG and IC piping at the turbo.
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e-manage is wired correctly, Kenny and I went over it. It could be a tuning issue, I am trying to get the Greddy support tool cable to check it.
This weekend I am probably going to pull everything off and inspect the system to check for pin hole vacuum leaks and clean more oil out of the system.
I have a Autometer A/F guage I picked up that should be in Thursday. I know its not a wide band, but it cost me $36 shipped and thats about all I can afford at the moment.
I can feel the clutch slipping every now and then, few and far between. There is a rattle that I am asuming is the oil regulator hitting the body.
The WOT issue might not really be an issue. I am running a 5.8psi spring, and it hits around 6psi and dumps the rest. It just spools quickly and that sounds like it could be it since it is doing at around 4400 rpms. This could be tested by changing the spring, but that would require a retune, and I haven't even had a chance to get up to see Chad Block yet.
Currently the car throws a CEL everyday of P0172. Condition rich. I also now have a nice popping in the exhaust from fuel bypassing the combustion chamber unspent.
Billy, Kenny and Chad have been a big help with all of this. Especially the turbo neon driver.
I will keep everyone posted on the progress and condition of my car. Remember kids, this is a learning process and the dark side has to be shown.
This weekend I am probably going to pull everything off and inspect the system to check for pin hole vacuum leaks and clean more oil out of the system.
I have a Autometer A/F guage I picked up that should be in Thursday. I know its not a wide band, but it cost me $36 shipped and thats about all I can afford at the moment.
I can feel the clutch slipping every now and then, few and far between. There is a rattle that I am asuming is the oil regulator hitting the body.
The WOT issue might not really be an issue. I am running a 5.8psi spring, and it hits around 6psi and dumps the rest. It just spools quickly and that sounds like it could be it since it is doing at around 4400 rpms. This could be tested by changing the spring, but that would require a retune, and I haven't even had a chance to get up to see Chad Block yet.
Currently the car throws a CEL everyday of P0172. Condition rich. I also now have a nice popping in the exhaust from fuel bypassing the combustion chamber unspent.
Billy, Kenny and Chad have been a big help with all of this. Especially the turbo neon driver.
I will keep everyone posted on the progress and condition of my car. Remember kids, this is a learning process and the dark side has to be shown.
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Don't get me wrong. The turbo is awesome. I love being in 5th and just accelerating to go around someone instead of having to drop back to 3rd. If this was a Civic, then no I wouldn't have all of these problems. But I have joined the ranks of the few F/I owners of an xB and the even fewer turbo owners, and the rare ZPI turbo kit owners. So finding people that have had the same problems is a little hard. I have been on forums for Turbo Bricks, Turbo Neons and Turbo DSMs looking for clues and answers. Billy has dedicated a lot of his time to helping me since he knows a lot about this setup and what he and I can not figure out, I call Kenny at ZPI about.
This is the whole reason behind this thread, to show my install, the process, the problems and the solutions. To help the next guy. Since its going to be 75 degrees this weekend (Sun Mon) I will be checking over the entire system and posting an update.
This is the whole reason behind this thread, to show my install, the process, the problems and the solutions. To help the next guy. Since its going to be 75 degrees this weekend (Sun Mon) I will be checking over the entire system and posting an update.
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Hope everything works out for you. Im soon to be joining the F/I club with my xA. As for the being original, any xA or xB with a turbo kit is VERY original, i still have yet to see one here in PR. Ive heard alot about them, but never seen one, maybe 2 or 3 tC's, but never xA or xB. Keep up the good work and let us know your problems, that way i know what to predict.
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I heard from a little birdy that ur selling ur xB? Because it runs bad because of the ZPI kit being... well a ZPI kit i guess. I've been holding back a while but this just confirms my opinion of ZPI products. I don't think I have to say what that opinion is... It sucks cause the ZPI folks are cool, why can't the take the time to make things right!?! Knock-off China made wastegates, foam filter shoved in an intake pipe cause they "ran out of cone filters to ship", silicone couplers wearing through from rubbing the core support, a frikken 180degree angle bend coming out of the turbo?!? Somebody I know in Richmond has been waiting for their xB kit for like 4 months?!? You shouldnt have to rebuild a turbo with 10,000 miles on it. ZPI mid-pipe is only stainless coated, and eventually the heat makes the coating flake off revealing just a mild steel. ALL these things are what I have witnessed and I'm not full of crap. Heck a year ago I was all about ZPI until I saw theses things.
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Very Oppionated man. No I am just frustated with the time and money it takes to make it right. I keep swearing up and down that i'll buy a tC because lets face it there are a TON more performance parts for a tC then an xB. I just wanted to be different and hell I love my JDM counterpart car.
There was nothing wrong with this setup. Just problems causes by an improper install by an amature installer. Initially when I installed the setup, i cracked my oil pump housing. Thanks to Art at System Accessories and shurflo pumps, I know what kinda pump it is, and i have a new housing on it. Because I did not have the time for downtime, I ran around like this. With the oil pump housing cracked, the pump did not opperate like it was designed and did not pump oil out of the turbo properly. That combined with me mishearing someone saying that pump could be ran with out a regulator in it (when accually it does) caused me to probably damaged the piston rings and orings in the Mitsubishi Turbo. Now because of me running around like that, there is a little bit of oil in the piping and exhaust. This causes me to blow smoke (though its a lot better then it was) when I first take off after sitting for a few hours. It is imposible for me to sell my xB with 67000 miles on it and it only being an 05. If I wanted to fix it, all I have to go do is get a header back to axle exhaust from a junk yard. That was the only thing modified on my system. The system needs to be gone over by a real shop. I trusted my abilitys and they failed me. That is my own fault. I am a firm beliver in the do it yourself. Only thing I didn't do on my car is the tint and welding. I have to go visit Chad Block in York, PA, but lets face it, I work for Tweeter. We filed Chapter 11, Best buy is already telling people we have gone out of business. So I have very little work, little work means little paychecks. And Paying some bills is more important then getting my car tuned and checked up right like it needs.
As far as the attacks on ZPI, Kenny is a very knowledgable man, so is Sean. The products they build are mostly built for the tC crowd. Mine is a passed down prototype kit. The turbo itself is purchased from turbochargers.com I belive. The wastegate on mine is a Tiel. a very respected company. The welding on thier products looks very nice. You have to remember, they are a small company, some things are backordered from even thier suppliers. Like I said before, they are tC focused, have more tC parts and build more tC parts and install more setups on tCs. So xB and xA and whatever else is usually the back burner. If you have seen or heard anything other then hearsay or rumors, that a backed up with proof and photos, I'd like to see it because I do run thier parts.
There was nothing wrong with this setup. Just problems causes by an improper install by an amature installer. Initially when I installed the setup, i cracked my oil pump housing. Thanks to Art at System Accessories and shurflo pumps, I know what kinda pump it is, and i have a new housing on it. Because I did not have the time for downtime, I ran around like this. With the oil pump housing cracked, the pump did not opperate like it was designed and did not pump oil out of the turbo properly. That combined with me mishearing someone saying that pump could be ran with out a regulator in it (when accually it does) caused me to probably damaged the piston rings and orings in the Mitsubishi Turbo. Now because of me running around like that, there is a little bit of oil in the piping and exhaust. This causes me to blow smoke (though its a lot better then it was) when I first take off after sitting for a few hours. It is imposible for me to sell my xB with 67000 miles on it and it only being an 05. If I wanted to fix it, all I have to go do is get a header back to axle exhaust from a junk yard. That was the only thing modified on my system. The system needs to be gone over by a real shop. I trusted my abilitys and they failed me. That is my own fault. I am a firm beliver in the do it yourself. Only thing I didn't do on my car is the tint and welding. I have to go visit Chad Block in York, PA, but lets face it, I work for Tweeter. We filed Chapter 11, Best buy is already telling people we have gone out of business. So I have very little work, little work means little paychecks. And Paying some bills is more important then getting my car tuned and checked up right like it needs.
As far as the attacks on ZPI, Kenny is a very knowledgable man, so is Sean. The products they build are mostly built for the tC crowd. Mine is a passed down prototype kit. The turbo itself is purchased from turbochargers.com I belive. The wastegate on mine is a Tiel. a very respected company. The welding on thier products looks very nice. You have to remember, they are a small company, some things are backordered from even thier suppliers. Like I said before, they are tC focused, have more tC parts and build more tC parts and install more setups on tCs. So xB and xA and whatever else is usually the back burner. If you have seen or heard anything other then hearsay or rumors, that a backed up with proof and photos, I'd like to see it because I do run thier parts.
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Originally Posted by TuningIsLife
Very Oppionated man. No I am just frustated with the time and money it takes to make it right. I keep swearing up and down that i'll buy a tC because lets face it there are a TON more performance parts for a tC then an xB. I just wanted to be different and hell I love my JDM counterpart car.
There was nothing wrong with this setup. Just problems causes by an improper install by an amature installer. Initially when I installed the setup, i cracked my oil pump housing. Thanks to Art at System Accessories and shurflo pumps, I know what kinda pump it is, and i have a new housing on it. Because I did not have the time for downtime, I ran around like this. With the oil pump housing cracked, the pump did not opperate like it was designed and did not pump oil out of the turbo properly. That combined with me mishearing someone saying that pump could be ran with out a regulator in it (when accually it does) caused me to probably damaged the piston rings and orings in the Mitsubishi Turbo. Now because of me running around like that, there is a little bit of oil in the piping and exhaust. This causes me to blow smoke (though its a lot better then it was) when I first take off after sitting for a few hours. It is imposible for me to sell my xB with 67000 miles on it and it only being an 05. If I wanted to fix it, all I have to go do is get a header back to axle exhaust from a junk yard. That was the only thing modified on my system. The system needs to be gone over by a real shop. I trusted my abilitys and they failed me. That is my own fault. I am a firm beliver in the do it yourself. Only thing I didn't do on my car is the tint and welding. I have to go visit Chad Block in York, PA, but lets face it, I work for Tweeter. We filed Chapter 11, Best buy is already telling people we have gone out of business. So I have very little work, little work means little paychecks. And Paying some bills is more important then getting my car tuned and checked up right like it needs.
As far as the attacks on ZPI, Kenny is a very knowledgable man, so is Sean. The products they build are mostly built for the tC crowd. Mine is a passed down prototype kit. The turbo itself is purchased from turbochargers.com I belive. The wastegate on mine is a Tiel. a very respected company. The welding on thier products looks very nice. You have to remember, they are a small company, some things are backordered from even thier suppliers. Like I said before, they are tC focused, have more tC parts and build more tC parts and install more setups on tCs. So xB and xA and whatever else is usually the back burner. If you have seen or heard anything other then hearsay or rumors, that a backed up with proof and photos, I'd like to see it because I do run thier parts.
There was nothing wrong with this setup. Just problems causes by an improper install by an amature installer. Initially when I installed the setup, i cracked my oil pump housing. Thanks to Art at System Accessories and shurflo pumps, I know what kinda pump it is, and i have a new housing on it. Because I did not have the time for downtime, I ran around like this. With the oil pump housing cracked, the pump did not opperate like it was designed and did not pump oil out of the turbo properly. That combined with me mishearing someone saying that pump could be ran with out a regulator in it (when accually it does) caused me to probably damaged the piston rings and orings in the Mitsubishi Turbo. Now because of me running around like that, there is a little bit of oil in the piping and exhaust. This causes me to blow smoke (though its a lot better then it was) when I first take off after sitting for a few hours. It is imposible for me to sell my xB with 67000 miles on it and it only being an 05. If I wanted to fix it, all I have to go do is get a header back to axle exhaust from a junk yard. That was the only thing modified on my system. The system needs to be gone over by a real shop. I trusted my abilitys and they failed me. That is my own fault. I am a firm beliver in the do it yourself. Only thing I didn't do on my car is the tint and welding. I have to go visit Chad Block in York, PA, but lets face it, I work for Tweeter. We filed Chapter 11, Best buy is already telling people we have gone out of business. So I have very little work, little work means little paychecks. And Paying some bills is more important then getting my car tuned and checked up right like it needs.
As far as the attacks on ZPI, Kenny is a very knowledgable man, so is Sean. The products they build are mostly built for the tC crowd. Mine is a passed down prototype kit. The turbo itself is purchased from turbochargers.com I belive. The wastegate on mine is a Tiel. a very respected company. The welding on thier products looks very nice. You have to remember, they are a small company, some things are backordered from even thier suppliers. Like I said before, they are tC focused, have more tC parts and build more tC parts and install more setups on tCs. So xB and xA and whatever else is usually the back burner. If you have seen or heard anything other then hearsay or rumors, that a backed up with proof and photos, I'd like to see it because I do run thier parts.
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Originally Posted by TuningIsLife
Very Oppionated man. No I am just frustated with the time and money it takes to make it right. I keep swearing up and down that i'll buy a tC because lets face it there are a TON more performance parts for a tC then an xB. I just wanted to be different and hell I love my JDM counterpart car.
There was nothing wrong with this setup. Just problems causes by an improper install by an amature installer. Initially when I installed the setup, i cracked my oil pump housing. Thanks to Art at System Accessories and shurflo pumps, I know what kinda pump it is, and i have a new housing on it. Because I did not have the time for downtime, I ran around like this. With the oil pump housing cracked, the pump did not opperate like it was designed and did not pump oil out of the turbo properly. That combined with me mishearing someone saying that pump could be ran with out a regulator in it (when accually it does) caused me to probably damaged the piston rings and orings in the Mitsubishi Turbo. Now because of me running around like that, there is a little bit of oil in the piping and exhaust. This causes me to blow smoke (though its a lot better then it was) when I first take off after sitting for a few hours. It is imposible for me to sell my xB with 67000 miles on it and it only being an 05. If I wanted to fix it, all I have to go do is get a header back to axle exhaust from a junk yard. That was the only thing modified on my system. The system needs to be gone over by a real shop. I trusted my abilitys and they failed me. That is my own fault. I am a firm beliver in the do it yourself. Only thing I didn't do on my car is the tint and welding. I have to go visit Chad Block in York, PA, but lets face it, I work for Tweeter. We filed Chapter 11, Best buy is already telling people we have gone out of business. So I have very little work, little work means little paychecks. And Paying some bills is more important then getting my car tuned and checked up right like it needs.
As far as the attacks on ZPI, Kenny is a very knowledgable man, so is Sean. The products they build are mostly built for the tC crowd. Mine is a passed down prototype kit. The turbo itself is purchased from turbochargers.com I belive. The wastegate on mine is a Tiel. a very respected company. The welding on thier products looks very nice. You have to remember, they are a small company, some things are backordered from even thier suppliers. Like I said before, they are tC focused, have more tC parts and build more tC parts and install more setups on tCs. So xB and xA and whatever else is usually the back burner. If you have seen or heard anything other then hearsay or rumors, that a backed up with proof and photos, I'd like to see it because I do run thier parts.
There was nothing wrong with this setup. Just problems causes by an improper install by an amature installer. Initially when I installed the setup, i cracked my oil pump housing. Thanks to Art at System Accessories and shurflo pumps, I know what kinda pump it is, and i have a new housing on it. Because I did not have the time for downtime, I ran around like this. With the oil pump housing cracked, the pump did not opperate like it was designed and did not pump oil out of the turbo properly. That combined with me mishearing someone saying that pump could be ran with out a regulator in it (when accually it does) caused me to probably damaged the piston rings and orings in the Mitsubishi Turbo. Now because of me running around like that, there is a little bit of oil in the piping and exhaust. This causes me to blow smoke (though its a lot better then it was) when I first take off after sitting for a few hours. It is imposible for me to sell my xB with 67000 miles on it and it only being an 05. If I wanted to fix it, all I have to go do is get a header back to axle exhaust from a junk yard. That was the only thing modified on my system. The system needs to be gone over by a real shop. I trusted my abilitys and they failed me. That is my own fault. I am a firm beliver in the do it yourself. Only thing I didn't do on my car is the tint and welding. I have to go visit Chad Block in York, PA, but lets face it, I work for Tweeter. We filed Chapter 11, Best buy is already telling people we have gone out of business. So I have very little work, little work means little paychecks. And Paying some bills is more important then getting my car tuned and checked up right like it needs.
As far as the attacks on ZPI, Kenny is a very knowledgable man, so is Sean. The products they build are mostly built for the tC crowd. Mine is a passed down prototype kit. The turbo itself is purchased from turbochargers.com I belive. The wastegate on mine is a Tiel. a very respected company. The welding on thier products looks very nice. You have to remember, they are a small company, some things are backordered from even thier suppliers. Like I said before, they are tC focused, have more tC parts and build more tC parts and install more setups on tCs. So xB and xA and whatever else is usually the back burner. If you have seen or heard anything other then hearsay or rumors, that a backed up with proof and photos, I'd like to see it because I do run thier parts.
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Originally Posted by blown_xa
I hope i run into a ZPI turbo'd xB on track in the future... and if it does happen to beat me i'm sure it will be falling apart doing so.
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rofl. I just took mine upto my shop and ran some diag test on it. Turns out its running mad rich like the Fuel Trim is completely wacked 40% instead of the 10% it should be, and the 02 sensor almost cuts off, when hooked up to a graph, it would be a 1v then spike to 0v and back up when held at 2000-3000 rpms. When it does so, the emanage light cuts from green to orange and back to green, there is also a noticeable tone change in the exhaust when it spikes, it pops.
