are those godfather dish-III's? one opf my friends had them on his ls400, they are pretty sick.

 

If there was such a thing as VIP tires too, then where does Bridgestone, Falken, Pirelli and Dunlop place in Japan.... those companies sound non-japanese, I could be wrong.

 

Falken is Japanese. Bridgestone & Dunlop are American.

 

IMHO the 15" rims may look more like a VIP wheel if the tire profile was like the tire profile like 18" rims. Maybe the higher tire profile is making the wheels look more sporty. I think I seen a 15" rims that had smaller than 195/45/15 tires on 15X9 and it looked stretched and low profile with the kit it had, had a VIP look...

 

I didnt know Falken is japanese from the name Falken since I think there is no "L" in Japan. I thought japanese uses "R" in place of "L", in fact I don't think there is an "F" in japanese. I could be wrong. Maybe there are Japanese companies with American names.

 

they are all japanese brands

 

I guess maybe the question should be, are the tires from those companies true JDM/VIP tires, and what makes them different in style from their counterparts in the US that are the same size?

 

VIP wheel tuning has a lot to do with proportion. Ratio of Wheel diameter to cars size and ratio of wheel diamter to tire sidewall height. For a Scion, 17 or 18 fit the best depending on kit and/or how much the car is lowered.

You are right about the size of the tire being able to create the illusion that a wheel is larger. To make a 15" wheel look big, you'd need to run 165/45. If you ran that setup on a Scion, the tires would hardly fill out the wheel well even slammed to the ground on stock kit - not to mention the proportions just being way off!

This is not really trying to be VIP style, but here's an example of 15" or 16" (not really sure), but either way, the proportions are just way off even slammed....These proportions would NOT work for VIP


Now look at these 18s. They are proportionate to the size of the kit and drop. If you were not familiar with Scions, you might think they were 20s...Very VIP.


And here are 17s. They are proportionate to a smaller body kit and is slightly lower stance...Very VIP.


Now on a Kei car (much smaller than an Echo) can run a 15 and have a VIP look to it....like this:

 

You're confusing JDM and VIP. JDM just means parts only available in Japan or made only for the Japanese Market. VIP is just a method of styling that so happens to originate from Japan. It doesn't matter where the parts come from. VIP cars can use any part from any country so long as it contributes to the VIP look. Tires are no exception - there is no such thing as a VIP tire.

 

Thanks for this post. IMHO, I think if the white box wanted to look more VIP with 15" rims, it might look better with a smaller tire, more negative offset, with a smaller body kit and the car laying frame. I think that a 17" or 18" might make getting that "look" easier, but I also think that achieving that same look with 15" rims could be possible too but maybe with more work to balance things out. As another example, if this car's 20 inch rims was dish, would it have the VIP look?

Can someone explain why or why not the proportion and size of rims on this is/isnt VIP?

Im not sure whose car this is but are these or arent these rims VIP?

 

Here is a company that is making a tire for the VIP market:
http://www.fk452.com/
"Conceived by a company whose vision is relentless and developed for the VIP automotive purist; Falken’s new FK series line of Luxury Sports tires is clearly the new benchmark for JDM and European Luxury tuners."
They make up to 22" VIP tires it seems, the gallery has some pics too.

Im sure others are confused too, because some others feel that replica wheels are not VIP, and I was applying the same concept to tires. If it doesnt matter for tires, why should it matter for rims, as long as they add to the VIP look right? I think some others would argue that if there was an european made rim for a vw that looks the same as a Garson racing wheel and costs the same, that it still may not be considered VIP. Whats interesting is that sometimes some rims are coming from other countries that others may not know about unless you look at the back of the rim. Work Eurolines sounds like the lines of the wheel should look European. Is this a VIP wheel?

 

replica wheels aren't very VIP, but its a cheap
route to take, we've seen many people do that before,
so its just a pattern. not a style.

as for 15" wheels 'looking' vip, i dont think so.
15x10 running a 195/50 would look very cool.
super stretched and everything, BUT, i think its
still just a 15" wheel, it'll look like a toy when the face
of the rim is like 12" or something. u need a nice fender
filling rim. the rims make and break a car, 15"(STOCK SIZE)
pretty much breaks the car. people seem to confuse the xb
with old school corollas and stuff. cars back then cam with 14's...
so 15" rims was busting out, besides that, they didn't even
dare roll 18's. they think it's cool rocking a 20 year old rim
style on a xb, i guess thats cool, i guess some can pull it off..

its SPORTY looking, not VIP, that silver GS, thats VIP.
it looks more "luxurious", or "classy".. a budgetbox rolling
on some budget 15's? EH, thats just sporty(if that).

 

You can lay frame and have the fenders touch the rim of a 15" wheel, but imagine the space to the left and right of the rim. I guess that's one thing that separated VIP from mini-truckin or lowriders. VIP does not neccessairy aim to lay frame. It all comes back to proportion and visual impact and balance.

Besides, why do all that work just for 15s, it'll end up costing waaaay more than just getting 18s.

In regard to the green truck, dish wheels would not make it VIP. As I have said before, wheels alone don't make a car VIP.

This cars is very VIP influenced, but is very mild. Much more can be done to make to make it aggressiv. Like wider wheels (but not neccessarily bigger), cambered to fit, and a little lower. It's not like there are set rules to VIP style. Sometimes a car just whisper VIP and some shout out VIP!


Like I said, before, wheels themselves aren't VIP, it's the big picture. Those rims are not commonly used for VIP cars, but the stance, fitment, as well as body kit definitely speak VIP.

Also, the thing to remember about VIP style. VIP style is just a way for non-VIP cars to adapt true VIP car styling. Like this for example:


Check out VIPstylecars.com for more examples and explanation of VIP. You'll probably need to understand True VIP car styling before you'll get how boxes, van, wagons, kei cars, etc... can attempt VIP style.

 

oh yeah, another thing, most "vip" cars have very little to NONE
fender gap. bBoxd's car is a perfect example of what a vip
looking xb should be.
it looks classy, and luxurious...


u can see how it just fits perfect, the stance is aggressive,
heres another shot.. my car doesn't really have anything.
no badas s kit from japan, no airride, no tables and leather.
but it's a more "simple" vip style.


now heres a xb on 15's. maybe u can see why it looks more sport.



im not saying the fitment isn't good, im not saying the car doesn't look good.
but its not as "ELEGANT/LUXURIOUS" and i think those are the
qualities i wanna see when i see a VIP-Looking car.
thats why most stock lexus's are considered a VIP car, even
stock!

 

Yes, but Im just making the point that the green xb has even less left to right gap since it has 20s(compared to 15s,18s), even a lower drop, and doesnt have an aftermarket kit just like the lexus, and its still not VIP. Is it now the color(maybe it should be black) that is making it not VIP?

 

That's just marketing mumbo jumbo. Since True VIP cars are luxury cars and use many high end components, that is the way they are marketed to. If your gonna spend 2K on a set of wheels, you're not gonna throw on some Wanlis or Nankangs. As long as the correct size is available, and the quality is good, you can use any brand of tire.

Tires don't contibute to the visual impact as much as wheels do! Like I said for tires, as long as it fits right, you're good to go. Show me some replica wheels that are available in custom offsets, have high quality fit and finish, and have the strength and durability to withstand low profile tires, camber, etc.

In the end, it comes down to asking, "Does it hold up to the standards of a True VIP car?" which is what VIP style is trying to mimic.

I don't know who would argue that. Maybe that is just preference. Some like to keep everything JDM, just as some euro tuners like to keep everything DTM. I have seen many VIP cars that use OEM Mercedes wheels, BBS wheels, etc. As long as the quality, fit, and finish, and style speak VIP.

As I've said before, wheels do not make a car VIP. Some wheels shout VIP more than others, but in the end it is a combination of fitment and stance as well as other visual cues.

The Lorinsers on top are aftermarket wheels made for Mercedes. They look very VIP influenced, or should I say VIp is very influenced from those wheels. But in the end, there are better quality wheels out there that are available in better fitments.

The GS wheels are Work Euroline DH if I am correct. Obviously they have similar designs, but if you were to put them side by side, you'd clearly see the difference in quality.

You could try running Lorinsers, adding spacers, have an awesome low stance, body kit, the whole deal. When all is said and done, when you step back, it CAN be VIP - but to what level?

 

Yes, but what is the difference between your car and the green one(if it had dish rims), shouldnt the green one be more VIP than yours exterior wise? What is the luxurious difference, the rims?

I agree that is not VIP with the 15 inch rims, but Im just pointing out that it is far from VIP to start with. If you change JUST the rim size, it will still not look VIP. That is my point is that it COULD be possible with 15" on an xB.

Here is my question, if the perfect example of VIP like bBoxd's kept everything the same, style of the wheels, same everything, but had a lower drop on 15-16" with a very low profile tire, regardless if it hit the ground, would it still be VIP?

 

The thing about color is most VIP cars are black or white or silver. If they use any other color, it is usually very dark. Again, not one thing makes a car VIP styled. It is a combination of many element, but mainly wheel fitment and stance.

Like I said, VIP is not all about wheels as large as possible and laying frame. There is such a thing as too big. If anything, VIP is looking to go wider in width and offset trather than taller in diameter. Aside from color, if you really can't see the difference between the green xB and hahajoey's, I don't know what to say.

I'll just have to refer you again to VIPstylecars.com. Check out a real VIP car, like a celsior, cima, q45, etc...then you might understand visual elements a VIP styled Scion is trying to execute.

 

15-16" wheels are budget, VIP is all about showing out.
busting out hard stuff.. getting expensive things.
15-16's aren't expensive, they are actually 1-2 bills cheaper
than 18's.

i just think the car itself is VIP or not.
thats why i say VIP looking xb. cuz a xb isn't
a vip car, in fact, its a budget box, BUT it can "look"
vip...

for example. theres a white rsx, its a sporty little coupe.
but this one is tuned "vip looking"
it doesn't mean that the car itself is a VIP car, its a VIP
looking car. and i think it's one of the best looking rsx's out.
if u put 15's on it, i'd just laugh.

 

Hey guys, thanks for all the responses. My xB has taken the more classic route with smaller wider rims and wanted to learn about the VIP style so that I could be include some cues, maybe mix some cues in with the classic styles. IMHO, the xB has Kei car type look to start with but I know some of those have a mild VIP style. Im not after the true VIP Style (which I guess itself is not true VIP), so maybe my intended style is VIP STYLE-style. I would be happy smaller superwide rims with mild skateboard look with mild VIP cues and a hammered stance, maybe no hood ornaments or super long exhausts, or curtains for me. Keep the opinions coming guys, everybody is showing mad respect while still being honest so its all good.