So instead the Type S is being compared??????????????????????????? I don't get it.

 

bummmmmppppppppp
wanna see were the brick road takes us today,
and excuse me, but why couldn't we compare the tc to the focus?
the svt, is the same price range as the tc, soo their ya go, and i think the svt is ugly, and slow

 

ok fine, but now your digressing from the topic....now ur talking about the cost of mods to cost of vehicle ratio, where did that come from?

we all now with x amount of thousands put into the tc it will be faster than a type s and less expensive to begin with. but the type s is 24k, tahst it no way around it. for that price, i really dont think your going to find a better car stock for stock or even lightly modded (ihe).

value wise, yes teh type s is worth the extra money, because its been engineered and built from the ground up as a sports car, no question about that, and thats the true meaning of this thread(at least i think it is..lol we all changed topics 1000x)

but its all cool you love your tC so do i, obviously, i just honestly feel the type s is worth it.

 

as far as options go, the type s is about as close to the tc as any other car, and resale wise (since they don't have pure pricing on scions) the tc would resale for around 25 - 28k, and I'm betting that in that price range if you did compare the type s it would be hands down towards the acura, considering it has a 6 speed tranny standard

 

well I wouldn't mind having the S right next to the tC in the driveway...

 

^what he said

 

If a person is considering buying a new RSX Type-S they are also in the ballpark to by a VW Golf GTI. There is also the Mazdaspeed3 and Dodge Caliber SRT-4 to consider.

 

the caliber sucks, don't buy domestic no resale value (dodge also sucks now because hyundai makes their cars, the drivetrain the caliber, Hyundai)

 

wow, you made yourself look like a tool with that argument.

 

^ yeah that
if you want something fast and cheap
go get a srt-4 or a bike

 

if i had the money at the time, i would have a type-s right now!

 

You are quoting me there. Wanna explain your comment? I believe I am 100% correct that you can make a real nice tC that can out perform a rsx-s for less than it costs to buy an rsx-s. Wanna explain how i'm looking like a tool?

 

if u're gona compare mods vs. mods, then do it right.

Car A with R mods vs. Car B with same R mods

not

Car A with R mods vs. Car B stock, but same amoutn of money. thats not a valid comparison, b/c its just obivous.

if you have money, buy the better car in the first place and no need to mod it just to get in up to par with another car.

If you wana beat the rsx-s, get an SRT-4 or whatever. no modding needed. not that modding is easy anyways.

and please, modding the tC may come out to cost more than the RSX-S and still not go up to par. With me seeing most turbo products out for the tC, i doubt most can run the tC reliably for a long period of time.

If you're so cheap and want a fast car in the first place, a civic can easily spank you turbo'd tC any day, for $10k (including the car).

Most ppl say "oh i'll buy the cheaper car and use the rest of the money to mod it", but in the end, those ppl are just plain cheap and dont do anything.

 

wow. thats ignorant. 1st, some people like modding cars, like myself. 2nd, i was comparing price, not options. Thus, I said that for the price of an rsx-s, you can have a turbo t/c that can blow it out of the water. It is not logical to compare a stock tc to a stock rsx-s b/c thats a more expensive car. If we are going to do that, then lets compare the rsx-s to a STi...i'm not talking about the cars base vs base b/c thats not an even comparison. I am talking about the rsx-s for $25K and the tC for $25K. For that money, the rsx-s is base and the tC can have a turbo plus some. I see that you must understand this though b/c you validated my argument by saying that the tC w/ mods can beat a rsx-s base (as you said - b/c its just obvious). Realize I am comparing money spent, b/c quite frankly, thats whats important. You can go out and buy a 350Z for 35K or so or buy a less expensive car and mod it to beat the 350Z and end up spending less i'm sure. Some people just don't like to mod and would prefer the car stock with power. So bottom line, i'm comparing money to money, not mods to mods....thats my argument.

BTW, The usage of the word 'tool' was misused which led to my confusion of your first comment. Here is the definition of the word tool in the sense that you meant it so that you can now know what it means:

"The word "tool" may be used as an insult, describing someone who is being manipulated without their knowledge - implying they are naïve and ignorant. "

 

hes saying that you can't compare a stock car to a modded car, which you keep insisting on doing, if you add a turbo to the tc it won't fall into the same race class as the rsx s because its forced induction, the only way you are going to get a tc to the power levels of the type s is to go FI or do alot of reworking in the engine, but once you go F/I your not able to place the tc against NA cars, your looking at going against GTI's STI's and srt-4s which, I hate to rub it in, but a lightly modified srt can, and will smoke a highly modded tc, one of the guys I work with owned a 4 and it was fast, he did minor, very minor upgrades, didn't even swap out the turbo and was spanking turbo'd supras, civics, sti's and gti's at the drag strip (centerville) he plans to get another later on but when he does hes going to do a stage three turbo off the bat, you CANNOT compare a modified car to a stock car

 

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is all that i'm talking about. You can compare mods f/i vs n/a all you want. I am talking about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ spent. I can't make it much more clear. There are many ways to compare one car to another. I am talking money. You can compare it based on mods, based on looks, based on reliability, etc. You can go compare whatever you want, I made a comment earlier in the thread about the tC getting you more than the rsx-s for the money. That doesnt mean the rsx-s is a bad car and it doesn't mean that you cant mod it. He can compare mods to mods all he wants. Him calling me a tool is not only ignorant but irrelevant to my comment. I AM ONLY COMMENTING ON THE MONEY ASPECT - what you are getting for the same 25K. If you think that a tC that costs 25K can't beat a rsx-s then your crazy, but I don't think thats the issue. $ for $ the tC can be faster. Maybe not fair to the rsx-s, I dont care...thats not the point! ¿Debo tratar explicarlo en español?

 

heres the big issue, once you get to where your at the power level of that rsx constantly, your going to have to rebuild the motor, and spend even more money on the motor, and the drivetrain can only contain so much power, and your still not going to get the stuff that comes on the type s on a tc for the price, like power seats

 

You're saying that to put in a trd s/c would mean rebuilding the motor? A trd s/c on a tC now equals the hp on a rsx-s...no rebuild necessary. I understand what you're saying, but thats for people who are pushing a good deal of pressure through their engine. I've read that no rebuild or 'beef-up' as I like to put it is necessary until like 220-230hp. But its a valid argument nonetheless. Throwing a turbo on a tC sure will reduce the life of the engine.

 

so will the TRD S/C from what I've read, thats things basicly like throwing away the 3k it costs for it, because the dealerships can't work on it and it drops the resale value, oh and for your reliability comment, acura is just as reliable as toyota

 

i have to agree with you there that the trd s/c is a piece of garbage regardless of how much hp it gets you. It is like $100 per hp which I think is throwing away money. But that is another issue. The point is, it does bring the car into that range.

Acura is a very reliable car, but I wouldn't say that its AS good as toyota. I really feel that they make the best, most reliable car. I'm saying this as an opinion and a long time reader of consumer reports magazine. I'd have no problem buying an acura however. Especially that new supercar they are putting together for 08-09 I believe. WOW!