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meh, its my daily. no need for more power. even with dropping a huge chunk of change just to get to 181hp, it will still be way slower than my civic. 
and did I ever claim to know you or where you live? no...so stop talking, trying to act like youre proving something.
machoism rears its ugly head again
and did I ever claim to know you or where you live? no...so stop talking, trying to act like youre proving something.
machoism rears its ugly head again
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by 02_Stang
Oh come on now! I drive a 2002 V6 auto and I know for a fact that I can hang with Scion tC's, so don't sit there and say they are POS's. Don't underestimate the mustang, I call COMPLETE B.S. on the original poster. My friend has a new tC that I hang with and/or beat every time we race. To think that you can beat a GT???
No STOCK tC will beat ANY 99+ Stock GT. End of story. Bottom line. Some of you are SO mis-informed, whoever posted this -
Is a very un-informed man (or woman). They are not overestimating anything, they are being REAL. A stock GT will lose to a stock LS1 or LT1, BUT a stock GT will SMOKE a tC, and will beat/hang with MANY other cars. Don't underestimate the GT power, it was most likely a V6 that wasn't even racing you. At the end of this post I will post a picture of my car, which I have dual exhaust on and NO GT badges. There are MANY ways to tell if it was a REAL GT or not. Did it have Bumper inserts for the dual exhausts? Did it have foglights? Did it have alloy rims? Did you see the interior? Did it have a hoodscoop (Which came stock on some V6 Mustangs, so is also NOT a good indicator)???
If you take a Mustang V6 and throw some 4.10's, a T-lok, CAI, UDP and a Performance chip, not to mention H/I/E, which are all RELATIVELY cheap mods, you will have a fairly quick car. Face the truth man, you did not, nor will you ever beat a Mustang GT 99 +. It's just not happening. Even FI I can't see you beating a GT, perhaps H/I/E, SC, UDP, CAI and you can hang ... But why dump that much money in a car just to HANG with a GT?
BTW, take as many shots at my V6 as you want - I have beaten tC's, I have beaten Eclipses, I have beaten many cars that you would say I couldn't. Also, within 5 months I will be either driving a 2001 SVT Cobra (320 hp, 317 tq) or a 2004 GT (260hp, 302tq). Either way, even my V6 (193 hp, 225tq STOCK) will hang with / beat you guys.
No STOCK tC will beat ANY 99+ Stock GT. End of story. Bottom line. Some of you are SO mis-informed, whoever posted this -
Is a very un-informed man (or woman). They are not overestimating anything, they are being REAL. A stock GT will lose to a stock LS1 or LT1, BUT a stock GT will SMOKE a tC, and will beat/hang with MANY other cars. Don't underestimate the GT power, it was most likely a V6 that wasn't even racing you. At the end of this post I will post a picture of my car, which I have dual exhaust on and NO GT badges. There are MANY ways to tell if it was a REAL GT or not. Did it have Bumper inserts for the dual exhausts? Did it have foglights? Did it have alloy rims? Did you see the interior? Did it have a hoodscoop (Which came stock on some V6 Mustangs, so is also NOT a good indicator)???
If you take a Mustang V6 and throw some 4.10's, a T-lok, CAI, UDP and a Performance chip, not to mention H/I/E, which are all RELATIVELY cheap mods, you will have a fairly quick car. Face the truth man, you did not, nor will you ever beat a Mustang GT 99 +. It's just not happening. Even FI I can't see you beating a GT, perhaps H/I/E, SC, UDP, CAI and you can hang ... But why dump that much money in a car just to HANG with a GT?
BTW, take as many shots at my V6 as you want - I have beaten tC's, I have beaten Eclipses, I have beaten many cars that you would say I couldn't. Also, within 5 months I will be either driving a 2001 SVT Cobra (320 hp, 317 tq) or a 2004 GT (260hp, 302tq). Either way, even my V6 (193 hp, 225tq STOCK) will hang with / beat you guys.
Who is this Tool coming on our boards talking trash...Dude, seriously, I got two cars that will walk all over your GT. You would have to start with my Z first. If you can hang with that, THEN and ONLY THEN will I bring out the tC for you. Bring your GT and watch it get toasted. Then go home, trade it in for a 2001 SVT Cobra, just so you can get smoked again. Hell I do you one even better, go try to score a brand new Saleen Mustang, maybe then you would have a chance... And don't think for one minute I'm full of it either. This tC has walked an LS1 Firebird (fiance was driving not me). I've walked away from a brand new TrailBlazer SS (rated 395hp)...
Just for proof cheif, here is the view my girl gave the LS1 Firebird....
Click here to watch Firebird-VS-tC
PS....She didn't even brake boost during that race...
Wow. You walked a Trailblazer . That's a 14 second SUV.
And a LS1? That's a 12 - 13 second car, easy. It's funny that with all this boost, you guys can SOMETIMES run with us domestics, but with boltons, we obliterate you. Through h/c/i in either a LS1 or Mustang GT, and the only thing you'll be seeing is those pretty tail lights.
Please guys, anybody that says they beat a Mustang GT in a basically stock Scion TC is an IDIOT.
Look at the numbers. Even with an automatic convertible, the GT would walk the TC. And I love the justification of "he was probably a bad driver". A bad driver does not equal two seconds of et.
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by 02_Stang
Don't worry, I read your sig. The fact that you haven't posted times with your "SUPER COOL MODS" leads me to believe thats the best you can get out of that car.FYI, my friend with a 2002 GT runs 11.08 1/4 mile, my friends dad with a '03 Cobra runs 11.99 1/4 mile, and my friend with a 2000 V6 runs a 13.1 1/4 mile.
Lets see a Scion do that? Lets face the facts -
STOCK FOR STOCK -
1999 - 2004 GT =
260 HP
302 TQ
$25,000
2005 Scion tC =
160 HP
163 TQ
Sorry buddy, but H/I/NO EXHAUST will NEEEVER take ANY 99+ GT, or most 99+ V6's. Even the V6 outmaches you 193 HP and 225 TQ. You need to learn a little bit about cars. Yes, I know what N/A means. I know what F/I means. I've forgotten more than you will ever know. When you wake up from your fantasy land you will realize your car is a slow P.O.S. and you should have bought the LS1 or the GT. For you to sit there and say ANY Scion will beat ANY GT stock, OR with just headers and intake you are SAAAAADLY mistaken. Why not take some classes on cars?
BTW, to whoever said FWD > RWD you are WAAAAY wrong. I can tell some of you know your stuff, but alot of you are incompetent morons (Present company included).
Lets see a Scion do that? Lets face the facts -
STOCK FOR STOCK -
1999 - 2004 GT =
260 HP
302 TQ
$25,000
2005 Scion tC =
160 HP
163 TQ
Sorry buddy, but H/I/NO EXHAUST will NEEEVER take ANY 99+ GT, or most 99+ V6's. Even the V6 outmaches you 193 HP and 225 TQ. You need to learn a little bit about cars. Yes, I know what N/A means. I know what F/I means. I've forgotten more than you will ever know. When you wake up from your fantasy land you will realize your car is a slow P.O.S. and you should have bought the LS1 or the GT. For you to sit there and say ANY Scion will beat ANY GT stock, OR with just headers and intake you are SAAAAADLY mistaken. Why not take some classes on cars?
BTW, to whoever said FWD > RWD you are WAAAAY wrong. I can tell some of you know your stuff, but alot of you are incompetent morons (Present company included).
You read my sig...Riiiiighht. If you did, you wouldn't have tried to capitalize on the fact is says "OLD TIMES N/A'ed".......
Oh, and gotta love the...."Well, my brothers-cousins-aunts-sisters-dad" has a GT that does XX amount of time in the 1/4...
Your really starting to crack me up now. Lets get one thing straight, your the one that came on here popping off at the mouth about how a tC will (as you put it) NEVER be able to hang with a GT... You also mentioned not eve F/I tC's can take out a GT... Both of the cars that we own will walk all over you dude, and yet I'm the one in Fantasy land... Here, go try this vid on for size:
http://www.zeropointindustries.net/gallery/videos/ZPI2
I simply brought up the fact that with his mods he was NOT hanging with a GT, and BARELY beating a V6. I then proceeded to say that with a few select mods he could HANG with a GT.
Quiz - (Without google)
What is Horsepower?
What is torque?
UDP?
CAI?
t-lok?
4.10?
If you can answer all of that WITHOUT using google I will be so proud of you
. Face it, it took you what, 4,000? 5,000 to just hang with a Stang? Yea, I saw the video of the LS1 ... But that was not your tC! Unless you had your name changed So, STOCK FOR STOCK, POWER TO WEIGHT, and VALUE wise which is the better car? (I can smell the homerism!)
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Originally Posted by Jaggezz
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by 02_Stang
Oh come on now! I drive a 2002 V6 auto and I know for a fact that I can hang with Scion tC's, so don't sit there and say they are POS's. Don't underestimate the mustang, I call COMPLETE B.S. on the original poster. My friend has a new tC that I hang with and/or beat every time we race. To think that you can beat a GT???
No STOCK tC will beat ANY 99+ Stock GT. End of story. Bottom line. Some of you are SO mis-informed, whoever posted this -
Is a very un-informed man (or woman). They are not overestimating anything, they are being REAL. A stock GT will lose to a stock LS1 or LT1, BUT a stock GT will SMOKE a tC, and will beat/hang with MANY other cars. Don't underestimate the GT power, it was most likely a V6 that wasn't even racing you. At the end of this post I will post a picture of my car, which I have dual exhaust on and NO GT badges. There are MANY ways to tell if it was a REAL GT or not. Did it have Bumper inserts for the dual exhausts? Did it have foglights? Did it have alloy rims? Did you see the interior? Did it have a hoodscoop (Which came stock on some V6 Mustangs, so is also NOT a good indicator)???
If you take a Mustang V6 and throw some 4.10's, a T-lok, CAI, UDP and a Performance chip, not to mention H/I/E, which are all RELATIVELY cheap mods, you will have a fairly quick car. Face the truth man, you did not, nor will you ever beat a Mustang GT 99 +. It's just not happening. Even FI I can't see you beating a GT, perhaps H/I/E, SC, UDP, CAI and you can hang ... But why dump that much money in a car just to HANG with a GT?
BTW, take as many shots at my V6 as you want - I have beaten tC's, I have beaten Eclipses, I have beaten many cars that you would say I couldn't. Also, within 5 months I will be either driving a 2001 SVT Cobra (320 hp, 317 tq) or a 2004 GT (260hp, 302tq). Either way, even my V6 (193 hp, 225tq STOCK) will hang with / beat you guys.
No STOCK tC will beat ANY 99+ Stock GT. End of story. Bottom line. Some of you are SO mis-informed, whoever posted this -
Is a very un-informed man (or woman). They are not overestimating anything, they are being REAL. A stock GT will lose to a stock LS1 or LT1, BUT a stock GT will SMOKE a tC, and will beat/hang with MANY other cars. Don't underestimate the GT power, it was most likely a V6 that wasn't even racing you. At the end of this post I will post a picture of my car, which I have dual exhaust on and NO GT badges. There are MANY ways to tell if it was a REAL GT or not. Did it have Bumper inserts for the dual exhausts? Did it have foglights? Did it have alloy rims? Did you see the interior? Did it have a hoodscoop (Which came stock on some V6 Mustangs, so is also NOT a good indicator)???
If you take a Mustang V6 and throw some 4.10's, a T-lok, CAI, UDP and a Performance chip, not to mention H/I/E, which are all RELATIVELY cheap mods, you will have a fairly quick car. Face the truth man, you did not, nor will you ever beat a Mustang GT 99 +. It's just not happening. Even FI I can't see you beating a GT, perhaps H/I/E, SC, UDP, CAI and you can hang ... But why dump that much money in a car just to HANG with a GT?
BTW, take as many shots at my V6 as you want - I have beaten tC's, I have beaten Eclipses, I have beaten many cars that you would say I couldn't. Also, within 5 months I will be either driving a 2001 SVT Cobra (320 hp, 317 tq) or a 2004 GT (260hp, 302tq). Either way, even my V6 (193 hp, 225tq STOCK) will hang with / beat you guys.
Who is this Tool coming on our boards talking trash...Dude, seriously, I got two cars that will walk all over your GT. You would have to start with my Z first. If you can hang with that, THEN and ONLY THEN will I bring out the tC for you. Bring your GT and watch it get toasted. Then go home, trade it in for a 2001 SVT Cobra, just so you can get smoked again. Hell I do you one even better, go try to score a brand new Saleen Mustang, maybe then you would have a chance... And don't think for one minute I'm full of it either. This tC has walked an LS1 Firebird (fiance was driving not me). I've walked away from a brand new TrailBlazer SS (rated 395hp)...
Just for proof cheif, here is the view my girl gave the LS1 Firebird....
Click here to watch Firebird-VS-tC
PS....She didn't even brake boost during that race...
Wow. You walked a Trailblazer . That's a 14 second SUV.
And a LS1? That's a 12 - 13 second car, easy. It's funny that with all this boost, you guys can SOMETIMES run with us domestics, but with boltons, we obliterate you. Through h/c/i in either a LS1 or Mustang GT, and the only thing you'll be seeing is those pretty tail lights.
Please guys, anybody that says they beat a Mustang GT in a basically stock Scion TC is an IDIOT.
Look at the numbers. Even with an automatic convertible, the GT would walk the TC. And I love the justification of "he was probably a bad driver". A bad driver does not equal two seconds of et.
You are a God and you make the most sense of any post I have read thus far other than mine
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Originally Posted by DetourAhead
meh, its my daily. no need for more power. even with dropping a huge chunk of change just to get to 181hp, it will still be way slower than my civic.
and did I ever claim to know you or where you live? no...so stop talking, trying to act like youre proving something.
machoism rears its ugly head again
and did I ever claim to know you or where you live? no...so stop talking, trying to act like youre proving something.
machoism rears its ugly head again
First off, you tried to belittle me for doing a couple of kicks on little/no traffic roads.. That's why responded with the fact you don't know where I live. This is not Cali. We don't have cop problems like you Sunny boys do.
Secondly, about the machismo comment, the dude needed to be put into his place. He made an account on SL, just so he can talk about his beloved stang and how NO tC's will ever be able to touch a GT. I felt he needed to get the wax out of his ears a little. IF ANYTHING, you should be letting him know what's up, because you are a fellow Scion Owner as well, but instead you decided to talk about how I race. Are you secretly a Mustang owner/lover that drives an xB? If so, the why on EARTH did you pick up an xB.
No offense, but I really wouldn't be braggin about a B16. Friend of mine had an older model 4 Door Teggy with a B16 swap + H/I/E and we pulled on him in the tC when the tC was all stock.
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by DetourAhead
meh, its my daily. no need for more power. even with dropping a huge chunk of change just to get to 181hp, it will still be way slower than my civic.
and did I ever claim to know you or where you live? no...so stop talking, trying to act like youre proving something.
machoism rears its ugly head again
and did I ever claim to know you or where you live? no...so stop talking, trying to act like youre proving something.
machoism rears its ugly head again
First off, you tried to belittle me for doing a couple of kicks on little/no traffic roads.. That's why responded with the fact you don't know where I live. This is not Cali. We don't have cop problems like you Sunny boys do.
Secondly, about the machismo comment, the dude needed to be put into his place. He made an account on SL, just so he can talk about his beloved stang and how NO tC's will ever be able to touch a GT. I felt he needed to get the wax out of his ears a little. IF ANYTHING, you should be letting him know what's up, because you are a fellow Scion Owner as well, but instead you decided to talk about how I race. Are you secretly a Mustang owner/lover that drives an xB? If so, the why on EARTH did you pick up an xB.
No offense, but I really wouldn't be braggin about a B16. Friend of mine had an older model 4 Door Teggy with a B16 swap + H/I/E and we pulled on him in the tC when the tC was all stock.
. I never said NO TC WILL EVER TOUCH A GT, I just said no STOCK TC will hang with it, and it will take ALOT of money in mods to make it AS QUICK as a GT.Am I lieing?
Stop taking shots at your own team ... kiddo.
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Originally Posted by Jaggezz
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by 02_Stang
Oh come on now! I drive a 2002 V6 auto and I know for a fact that I can hang with Scion tC's, so don't sit there and say they are POS's. Don't underestimate the mustang, I call COMPLETE B.S. on the original poster. My friend has a new tC that I hang with and/or beat every time we race. To think that you can beat a GT???
No STOCK tC will beat ANY 99+ Stock GT. End of story. Bottom line. Some of you are SO mis-informed, whoever posted this -
Is a very un-informed man (or woman). They are not overestimating anything, they are being REAL. A stock GT will lose to a stock LS1 or LT1, BUT a stock GT will SMOKE a tC, and will beat/hang with MANY other cars. Don't underestimate the GT power, it was most likely a V6 that wasn't even racing you. At the end of this post I will post a picture of my car, which I have dual exhaust on and NO GT badges. There are MANY ways to tell if it was a REAL GT or not. Did it have Bumper inserts for the dual exhausts? Did it have foglights? Did it have alloy rims? Did you see the interior? Did it have a hoodscoop (Which came stock on some V6 Mustangs, so is also NOT a good indicator)???
If you take a Mustang V6 and throw some 4.10's, a T-lok, CAI, UDP and a Performance chip, not to mention H/I/E, which are all RELATIVELY cheap mods, you will have a fairly quick car. Face the truth man, you did not, nor will you ever beat a Mustang GT 99 +. It's just not happening. Even FI I can't see you beating a GT, perhaps H/I/E, SC, UDP, CAI and you can hang ... But why dump that much money in a car just to HANG with a GT?
BTW, take as many shots at my V6 as you want - I have beaten tC's, I have beaten Eclipses, I have beaten many cars that you would say I couldn't. Also, within 5 months I will be either driving a 2001 SVT Cobra (320 hp, 317 tq) or a 2004 GT (260hp, 302tq). Either way, even my V6 (193 hp, 225tq STOCK) will hang with / beat you guys.
No STOCK tC will beat ANY 99+ Stock GT. End of story. Bottom line. Some of you are SO mis-informed, whoever posted this -
Is a very un-informed man (or woman). They are not overestimating anything, they are being REAL. A stock GT will lose to a stock LS1 or LT1, BUT a stock GT will SMOKE a tC, and will beat/hang with MANY other cars. Don't underestimate the GT power, it was most likely a V6 that wasn't even racing you. At the end of this post I will post a picture of my car, which I have dual exhaust on and NO GT badges. There are MANY ways to tell if it was a REAL GT or not. Did it have Bumper inserts for the dual exhausts? Did it have foglights? Did it have alloy rims? Did you see the interior? Did it have a hoodscoop (Which came stock on some V6 Mustangs, so is also NOT a good indicator)???
If you take a Mustang V6 and throw some 4.10's, a T-lok, CAI, UDP and a Performance chip, not to mention H/I/E, which are all RELATIVELY cheap mods, you will have a fairly quick car. Face the truth man, you did not, nor will you ever beat a Mustang GT 99 +. It's just not happening. Even FI I can't see you beating a GT, perhaps H/I/E, SC, UDP, CAI and you can hang ... But why dump that much money in a car just to HANG with a GT?
BTW, take as many shots at my V6 as you want - I have beaten tC's, I have beaten Eclipses, I have beaten many cars that you would say I couldn't. Also, within 5 months I will be either driving a 2001 SVT Cobra (320 hp, 317 tq) or a 2004 GT (260hp, 302tq). Either way, even my V6 (193 hp, 225tq STOCK) will hang with / beat you guys.
Who is this Tool coming on our boards talking trash...Dude, seriously, I got two cars that will walk all over your GT. You would have to start with my Z first. If you can hang with that, THEN and ONLY THEN will I bring out the tC for you. Bring your GT and watch it get toasted. Then go home, trade it in for a 2001 SVT Cobra, just so you can get smoked again. Hell I do you one even better, go try to score a brand new Saleen Mustang, maybe then you would have a chance... And don't think for one minute I'm full of it either. This tC has walked an LS1 Firebird (fiance was driving not me). I've walked away from a brand new TrailBlazer SS (rated 395hp)...
Just for proof cheif, here is the view my girl gave the LS1 Firebird....
Click here to watch Firebird-VS-tC
PS....She didn't even brake boost during that race...
Wow. You walked a Trailblazer . That's a 14 second SUV.
And a LS1? That's a 12 - 13 second car, easy. It's funny that with all this boost, you guys can SOMETIMES run with us domestics, but with boltons, we obliterate you. Through h/c/i in either a LS1 or Mustang GT, and the only thing you'll be seeing is those pretty tail lights.
Please guys, anybody that says they beat a Mustang GT in a basically stock Scion TC is an IDIOT.
Look at the numbers. Even with an automatic convertible, the GT would walk the TC. And I love the justification of "he was probably a bad driver". A bad driver does not equal two seconds of et.
Cobra....It better be SuperCharged, cause I'll walk that too...
Hahaa...the more Stang guys sign up on SL the better huh... FYI....The TrailBlazer SS is a Low 13 sec. SUV, Not 14...Do your research bud.LS1 = 12 -13 car you say...Did you happen to see the vid of our tC walking that too...
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yeah..a 4 door...mines a hatchback, with nothing left but the dash and driver seat. come out to cali, and we'll rave a run. I can gaurantee your boosted tC will eat my N/A fumes.
and I will admit, I do love mustang GTs
The foxbody mustang GT is BY FAR, the best bang for the buck in terms of power to money ratio, over any other car ever made. My friend Todd has an old foxbody that had some ____ty H/C/Is and it was almost running 12s.
BUT I do love Scions also. They make wonderful daily drivers
and I will admit, I do love mustang GTs
The foxbody mustang GT is BY FAR, the best bang for the buck in terms of power to money ratio, over any other car ever made. My friend Todd has an old foxbody that had some ____ty H/C/Is and it was almost running 12s.
BUT I do love Scions also. They make wonderful daily drivers
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
And how much money did you spend on a turbo and other supporting mods?
So you're trying to prove a point by buying a cheap economical car and pouring money in it to make it quick. You sound like a honda owner.
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Originally Posted by Jaggezz
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
And how much money did you spend on a turbo and other supporting mods?
So you're trying to prove a point by buying a cheap economical car and pouring money in it to make it quick. You sound like a honda owner.
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by Jaggezz
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by 02_Stang
Oh come on now! I drive a 2002 V6 auto and I know for a fact that I can hang with Scion tC's, so don't sit there and say they are POS's. Don't underestimate the mustang, I call COMPLETE B.S. on the original poster. My friend has a new tC that I hang with and/or beat every time we race. To think that you can beat a GT???
No STOCK tC will beat ANY 99+ Stock GT. End of story. Bottom line. Some of you are SO mis-informed, whoever posted this -
Is a very un-informed man (or woman). They are not overestimating anything, they are being REAL. A stock GT will lose to a stock LS1 or LT1, BUT a stock GT will SMOKE a tC, and will beat/hang with MANY other cars. Don't underestimate the GT power, it was most likely a V6 that wasn't even racing you. At the end of this post I will post a picture of my car, which I have dual exhaust on and NO GT badges. There are MANY ways to tell if it was a REAL GT or not. Did it have Bumper inserts for the dual exhausts? Did it have foglights? Did it have alloy rims? Did you see the interior? Did it have a hoodscoop (Which came stock on some V6 Mustangs, so is also NOT a good indicator)???
If you take a Mustang V6 and throw some 4.10's, a T-lok, CAI, UDP and a Performance chip, not to mention H/I/E, which are all RELATIVELY cheap mods, you will have a fairly quick car. Face the truth man, you did not, nor will you ever beat a Mustang GT 99 +. It's just not happening. Even FI I can't see you beating a GT, perhaps H/I/E, SC, UDP, CAI and you can hang ... But why dump that much money in a car just to HANG with a GT?
BTW, take as many shots at my V6 as you want - I have beaten tC's, I have beaten Eclipses, I have beaten many cars that you would say I couldn't. Also, within 5 months I will be either driving a 2001 SVT Cobra (320 hp, 317 tq) or a 2004 GT (260hp, 302tq). Either way, even my V6 (193 hp, 225tq STOCK) will hang with / beat you guys.
No STOCK tC will beat ANY 99+ Stock GT. End of story. Bottom line. Some of you are SO mis-informed, whoever posted this -
Is a very un-informed man (or woman). They are not overestimating anything, they are being REAL. A stock GT will lose to a stock LS1 or LT1, BUT a stock GT will SMOKE a tC, and will beat/hang with MANY other cars. Don't underestimate the GT power, it was most likely a V6 that wasn't even racing you. At the end of this post I will post a picture of my car, which I have dual exhaust on and NO GT badges. There are MANY ways to tell if it was a REAL GT or not. Did it have Bumper inserts for the dual exhausts? Did it have foglights? Did it have alloy rims? Did you see the interior? Did it have a hoodscoop (Which came stock on some V6 Mustangs, so is also NOT a good indicator)???
If you take a Mustang V6 and throw some 4.10's, a T-lok, CAI, UDP and a Performance chip, not to mention H/I/E, which are all RELATIVELY cheap mods, you will have a fairly quick car. Face the truth man, you did not, nor will you ever beat a Mustang GT 99 +. It's just not happening. Even FI I can't see you beating a GT, perhaps H/I/E, SC, UDP, CAI and you can hang ... But why dump that much money in a car just to HANG with a GT?
BTW, take as many shots at my V6 as you want - I have beaten tC's, I have beaten Eclipses, I have beaten many cars that you would say I couldn't. Also, within 5 months I will be either driving a 2001 SVT Cobra (320 hp, 317 tq) or a 2004 GT (260hp, 302tq). Either way, even my V6 (193 hp, 225tq STOCK) will hang with / beat you guys.
Who is this Tool coming on our boards talking trash...Dude, seriously, I got two cars that will walk all over your GT. You would have to start with my Z first. If you can hang with that, THEN and ONLY THEN will I bring out the tC for you. Bring your GT and watch it get toasted. Then go home, trade it in for a 2001 SVT Cobra, just so you can get smoked again. Hell I do you one even better, go try to score a brand new Saleen Mustang, maybe then you would have a chance... And don't think for one minute I'm full of it either. This tC has walked an LS1 Firebird (fiance was driving not me). I've walked away from a brand new TrailBlazer SS (rated 395hp)...
Just for proof cheif, here is the view my girl gave the LS1 Firebird....
Click here to watch Firebird-VS-tC
PS....She didn't even brake boost during that race...
Wow. You walked a Trailblazer . That's a 14 second SUV.
And a LS1? That's a 12 - 13 second car, easy. It's funny that with all this boost, you guys can SOMETIMES run with us domestics, but with boltons, we obliterate you. Through h/c/i in either a LS1 or Mustang GT, and the only thing you'll be seeing is those pretty tail lights.
Please guys, anybody that says they beat a Mustang GT in a basically stock Scion TC is an IDIOT.
Look at the numbers. Even with an automatic convertible, the GT would walk the TC. And I love the justification of "he was probably a bad driver". A bad driver does not equal two seconds of et.
Cobra....It better be SuperCharged, cause I'll walk that too...
Hahaa...the more Stang guys sign up on SL the better huh... FYI....The TrailBlazer SS is a Low 13 sec. SUV, Not 14...Do your research bud.LS1 = 12 -13 car you say...Did you happen to see the vid of our tC walking that too...
Pull up a Car and Driver, or shut up.
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Originally Posted by 02_Stang
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by 02_Stang
Don't worry, I read your sig. The fact that you haven't posted times with your "SUPER COOL MODS" leads me to believe thats the best you can get out of that car.FYI, my friend with a 2002 GT runs 11.08 1/4 mile, my friends dad with a '03 Cobra runs 11.99 1/4 mile, and my friend with a 2000 V6 runs a 13.1 1/4 mile.
Lets see a Scion do that? Lets face the facts -
STOCK FOR STOCK -
1999 - 2004 GT =
260 HP
302 TQ
$25,000
2005 Scion tC =
160 HP
163 TQ
Sorry buddy, but H/I/NO EXHAUST will NEEEVER take ANY 99+ GT, or most 99+ V6's. Even the V6 outmaches you 193 HP and 225 TQ. You need to learn a little bit about cars. Yes, I know what N/A means. I know what F/I means. I've forgotten more than you will ever know. When you wake up from your fantasy land you will realize your car is a slow P.O.S. and you should have bought the LS1 or the GT. For you to sit there and say ANY Scion will beat ANY GT stock, OR with just headers and intake you are SAAAAADLY mistaken. Why not take some classes on cars?
BTW, to whoever said FWD > RWD you are WAAAAY wrong. I can tell some of you know your stuff, but alot of you are incompetent morons (Present company included).
Lets see a Scion do that? Lets face the facts -
STOCK FOR STOCK -
1999 - 2004 GT =
260 HP
302 TQ
$25,000
2005 Scion tC =
160 HP
163 TQ
Sorry buddy, but H/I/NO EXHAUST will NEEEVER take ANY 99+ GT, or most 99+ V6's. Even the V6 outmaches you 193 HP and 225 TQ. You need to learn a little bit about cars. Yes, I know what N/A means. I know what F/I means. I've forgotten more than you will ever know. When you wake up from your fantasy land you will realize your car is a slow P.O.S. and you should have bought the LS1 or the GT. For you to sit there and say ANY Scion will beat ANY GT stock, OR with just headers and intake you are SAAAAADLY mistaken. Why not take some classes on cars?
BTW, to whoever said FWD > RWD you are WAAAAY wrong. I can tell some of you know your stuff, but alot of you are incompetent morons (Present company included).
You read my sig...Riiiiighht. If you did, you wouldn't have tried to capitalize on the fact is says "OLD TIMES N/A'ed".......
Oh, and gotta love the...."Well, my brothers-cousins-aunts-sisters-dad" has a GT that does XX amount of time in the 1/4...
Your really starting to crack me up now. Lets get one thing straight, your the one that came on here popping off at the mouth about how a tC will (as you put it) NEVER be able to hang with a GT... You also mentioned not eve F/I tC's can take out a GT... Both of the cars that we own will walk all over you dude, and yet I'm the one in Fantasy land... Here, go try this vid on for size:
http://www.zeropointindustries.net/gallery/videos/ZPI2
I simply brought up the fact that with his mods he was NOT hanging with a GT, and BARELY beating a V6. I then proceeded to say that with a few select mods he could HANG with a GT.
Quiz - (Without google)
What is Horsepower?
What is torque?
UDP?
CAI?
t-lok?
4.10?
If you can answer all of that WITHOUT using google I will be so proud of you
. Face it, it took you what, 4,000? 5,000 to just hang with a Stang? Yea, I saw the video of the LS1 ... But that was not your tC! Unless you had your name changed So, STOCK FOR STOCK, POWER TO WEIGHT, and VALUE wise which is the better car? (I can smell the homerism!)
That is our TC "ISmokeGuys" is my fiance... And what part of I got a 350Z that will walk your GT too did you not understand...
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Originally Posted by DetourAhead
Originally Posted by Jaggezz
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
And how much money did you spend on a turbo and other supporting mods?
So you're trying to prove a point by buying a cheap economical car and pouring money in it to make it quick. You sound like a honda owner.
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by 02_Stang
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by 02_Stang
Don't worry, I read your sig. The fact that you haven't posted times with your "SUPER COOL MODS" leads me to believe thats the best you can get out of that car.FYI, my friend with a 2002 GT runs 11.08 1/4 mile, my friends dad with a '03 Cobra runs 11.99 1/4 mile, and my friend with a 2000 V6 runs a 13.1 1/4 mile.
Lets see a Scion do that? Lets face the facts -
STOCK FOR STOCK -
1999 - 2004 GT =
260 HP
302 TQ
$25,000
2005 Scion tC =
160 HP
163 TQ
Sorry buddy, but H/I/NO EXHAUST will NEEEVER take ANY 99+ GT, or most 99+ V6's. Even the V6 outmaches you 193 HP and 225 TQ. You need to learn a little bit about cars. Yes, I know what N/A means. I know what F/I means. I've forgotten more than you will ever know. When you wake up from your fantasy land you will realize your car is a slow P.O.S. and you should have bought the LS1 or the GT. For you to sit there and say ANY Scion will beat ANY GT stock, OR with just headers and intake you are SAAAAADLY mistaken. Why not take some classes on cars?
BTW, to whoever said FWD > RWD you are WAAAAY wrong. I can tell some of you know your stuff, but alot of you are incompetent morons (Present company included).
Lets see a Scion do that? Lets face the facts -
STOCK FOR STOCK -
1999 - 2004 GT =
260 HP
302 TQ
$25,000
2005 Scion tC =
160 HP
163 TQ
Sorry buddy, but H/I/NO EXHAUST will NEEEVER take ANY 99+ GT, or most 99+ V6's. Even the V6 outmaches you 193 HP and 225 TQ. You need to learn a little bit about cars. Yes, I know what N/A means. I know what F/I means. I've forgotten more than you will ever know. When you wake up from your fantasy land you will realize your car is a slow P.O.S. and you should have bought the LS1 or the GT. For you to sit there and say ANY Scion will beat ANY GT stock, OR with just headers and intake you are SAAAAADLY mistaken. Why not take some classes on cars?
BTW, to whoever said FWD > RWD you are WAAAAY wrong. I can tell some of you know your stuff, but alot of you are incompetent morons (Present company included).
You read my sig...Riiiiighht. If you did, you wouldn't have tried to capitalize on the fact is says "OLD TIMES N/A'ed".......
Oh, and gotta love the...."Well, my brothers-cousins-aunts-sisters-dad" has a GT that does XX amount of time in the 1/4...
Your really starting to crack me up now. Lets get one thing straight, your the one that came on here popping off at the mouth about how a tC will (as you put it) NEVER be able to hang with a GT... You also mentioned not eve F/I tC's can take out a GT... Both of the cars that we own will walk all over you dude, and yet I'm the one in Fantasy land... Here, go try this vid on for size:
http://www.zeropointindustries.net/gallery/videos/ZPI2
I simply brought up the fact that with his mods he was NOT hanging with a GT, and BARELY beating a V6. I then proceeded to say that with a few select mods he could HANG with a GT.
Quiz - (Without google)
What is Horsepower?
What is torque?
UDP?
CAI?
t-lok?
4.10?
If you can answer all of that WITHOUT using google I will be so proud of you
. Face it, it took you what, 4,000? 5,000 to just hang with a Stang? Yea, I saw the video of the LS1 ... But that was not your tC! Unless you had your name changed So, STOCK FOR STOCK, POWER TO WEIGHT, and VALUE wise which is the better car? (I can smell the homerism!)
That is our TC "ISmokeGuys" is my fiance... And what part of I got a 350Z that will walk your GT too did you not understand...
At least you didn't lie about knowing something and use google
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Originally Posted by 02_Stang
(. I never said NO TC WILL EVER TOUCH A GT,
Face the truth man, you did not, nor will you ever beat a Mustang GT 99 +. It's just not happening. Even FI I can't see you beating a GT
I guess that wasn't you that just wrote that a few post back...
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Originally Posted by DetourAhead
Originally Posted by Jaggezz
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
And how much money did you spend on a turbo and other supporting mods?
So you're trying to prove a point by buying a cheap economical car and pouring money in it to make it quick. You sound like a honda owner.
If you love the no TQ wonders, then be my guest. I've ran a Civic Coupe with an H22 Swap + H/I/E so, I'm not afraid on a B16.
And how fast is your car might I ask?
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by 02_Stang
(. I never said NO TC WILL EVER TOUCH A GT,
Face the truth man, you did not, nor will you ever beat a Mustang GT 99 +. It's just not happening. Even FI I can't see you beating a GT
I guess that wasn't you that just wrote that a few post back...
Tell you what, I'll simplify it for you.
Which number is greater - 260 or 160???
Also, 302 or 163???
Stock for stock ...?
RUH ROH!
Put $3,000 into both of them and who wins?
____, put $3,000 into the Scion and the GT will still win
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Originally Posted by 02_Stang
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by 02_Stang
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by 02_Stang
Don't worry, I read your sig. The fact that you haven't posted times with your "SUPER COOL MODS" leads me to believe thats the best you can get out of that car.FYI, my friend with a 2002 GT runs 11.08 1/4 mile, my friends dad with a '03 Cobra runs 11.99 1/4 mile, and my friend with a 2000 V6 runs a 13.1 1/4 mile.
Lets see a Scion do that? Lets face the facts -
STOCK FOR STOCK -
1999 - 2004 GT =
260 HP
302 TQ
$25,000
2005 Scion tC =
160 HP
163 TQ
Sorry buddy, but H/I/NO EXHAUST will NEEEVER take ANY 99+ GT, or most 99+ V6's. Even the V6 outmaches you 193 HP and 225 TQ. You need to learn a little bit about cars. Yes, I know what N/A means. I know what F/I means. I've forgotten more than you will ever know. When you wake up from your fantasy land you will realize your car is a slow P.O.S. and you should have bought the LS1 or the GT. For you to sit there and say ANY Scion will beat ANY GT stock, OR with just headers and intake you are SAAAAADLY mistaken. Why not take some classes on cars?
BTW, to whoever said FWD > RWD you are WAAAAY wrong. I can tell some of you know your stuff, but alot of you are incompetent morons (Present company included).
Lets see a Scion do that? Lets face the facts -
STOCK FOR STOCK -
1999 - 2004 GT =
260 HP
302 TQ
$25,000
2005 Scion tC =
160 HP
163 TQ
Sorry buddy, but H/I/NO EXHAUST will NEEEVER take ANY 99+ GT, or most 99+ V6's. Even the V6 outmaches you 193 HP and 225 TQ. You need to learn a little bit about cars. Yes, I know what N/A means. I know what F/I means. I've forgotten more than you will ever know. When you wake up from your fantasy land you will realize your car is a slow P.O.S. and you should have bought the LS1 or the GT. For you to sit there and say ANY Scion will beat ANY GT stock, OR with just headers and intake you are SAAAAADLY mistaken. Why not take some classes on cars?
BTW, to whoever said FWD > RWD you are WAAAAY wrong. I can tell some of you know your stuff, but alot of you are incompetent morons (Present company included).
You read my sig...Riiiiighht. If you did, you wouldn't have tried to capitalize on the fact is says "OLD TIMES N/A'ed".......
Oh, and gotta love the...."Well, my brothers-cousins-aunts-sisters-dad" has a GT that does XX amount of time in the 1/4...
Your really starting to crack me up now. Lets get one thing straight, your the one that came on here popping off at the mouth about how a tC will (as you put it) NEVER be able to hang with a GT... You also mentioned not eve F/I tC's can take out a GT... Both of the cars that we own will walk all over you dude, and yet I'm the one in Fantasy land... Here, go try this vid on for size:
http://www.zeropointindustries.net/gallery/videos/ZPI2
I simply brought up the fact that with his mods he was NOT hanging with a GT, and BARELY beating a V6. I then proceeded to say that with a few select mods he could HANG with a GT.
Quiz - (Without google)
What is Horsepower?
What is torque?
UDP?
CAI?
t-lok?
4.10?
If you can answer all of that WITHOUT using google I will be so proud of you
. Face it, it took you what, 4,000? 5,000 to just hang with a Stang? Yea, I saw the video of the LS1 ... But that was not your tC! Unless you had your name changed So, STOCK FOR STOCK, POWER TO WEIGHT, and VALUE wise which is the better car? (I can smell the homerism!)
That is our TC "ISmokeGuys" is my fiance... And what part of I got a 350Z that will walk your GT too did you not understand...
At least you didn't lie about knowing something and use google
What does quizing me have anything to do with YOUR CAR IS SLOW....face it young buck, I'll walk all over you.
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Originally Posted by 02_Stang
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by 02_Stang
(. I never said NO TC WILL EVER TOUCH A GT,
Face the truth man, you did not, nor will you ever beat a Mustang GT 99 +. It's just not happening. Even FI I can't see you beating a GT
I guess that wasn't you that just wrote that a few post back...
Tell you what, I'll simplify it for you.
Which number is greater - 260 or 160???
Also, 302 or 163???
Stock for stock ...?
RUH ROH!
Put $3,000 into both of them and who wins?
poop, put $3,000 into the Scion and the GT will still win
Dude, we need Dirty Sanchez's video of his fox running a 6.9 on that turbo setup. Maybe that'll shut them up.
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by DetourAhead
Originally Posted by Jaggezz
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
And how much money did you spend on a turbo and other supporting mods?
So you're trying to prove a point by buying a cheap economical car and pouring money in it to make it quick. You sound like a honda owner.
If you love the no TQ wonders, then be my guest. I've ran a Civic Coupe with an H22 Swap + H/I/E so, I'm not afraid on a B16.
And how fast is your car might I ask?
