tC vs 2000 Honda Civic Si..
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Good video. Although, a modded Tc vs stock Si its now clear as to why the tc won.
The races i saw with the si and tc, both were modded the same and the si took it. So i would guess if the si had some mods it would be a different video. Maybe not, but i know what i've seen compared to the video.
The Tc and the Si are so close that if you mod one, and not the other, its almost a given that the moded car will win. Even though stock for stock, the si does have the advantage. The Tc is right behind it with the tq advantage.
I still say stock for stock, Si has it. Mod for mod, si still wins. But good video never the less!! Thanks.
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The races i saw with the si and tc, both were modded the same and the si took it. So i would guess if the si had some mods it would be a different video. Maybe not, but i know what i've seen compared to the video.
The Tc and the Si are so close that if you mod one, and not the other, its almost a given that the moded car will win. Even though stock for stock, the si does have the advantage. The Tc is right behind it with the tq advantage.
I still say stock for stock, Si has it. Mod for mod, si still wins. But good video never the less!! Thanks.
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Originally Posted by killerxromances
Good video. Although, a modded Tc vs stock Si its now clear as to why the tc won.
The races i saw with the si and tc, both were modded the same and the si took it. So i would guess if the si had some mods it would be a different video. Maybe not, but i know what i've seen compared to the video.
The Tc and the Si are so close that if you mod one, and not the other, its almost a given that the moded car will win. Even though stock for stock, the si does have the advantage. The Tc is right behind it with the tq advantage.
I still say stock for stock, Si has it. Mod for mod, si still wins. But good video never the less!! Thanks.
Cya
The races i saw with the si and tc, both were modded the same and the si took it. So i would guess if the si had some mods it would be a different video. Maybe not, but i know what i've seen compared to the video.
The Tc and the Si are so close that if you mod one, and not the other, its almost a given that the moded car will win. Even though stock for stock, the si does have the advantage. The Tc is right behind it with the tq advantage.
I still say stock for stock, Si has it. Mod for mod, si still wins. But good video never the less!! Thanks.
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I'm sorry man, stock for stock the si does have the advantage. You have the low end advantage, but the Si will catch up and win unless its a 0-whatever. Since after 4th gear the Si starts losing its will to fight.
I posted the 2000 Si specs, which is what this forum is supposed to be about. With equal drivers, the si should clearly win. .7 second difference in 1/4 is a fairly big difference. Enough to state that the Si would clearly win.
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I posted the 2000 Si specs, which is what this forum is supposed to be about. With equal drivers, the si should clearly win. .7 second difference in 1/4 is a fairly big difference. Enough to state that the Si would clearly win.
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Originally Posted by hahaitzskippy
hahah
the guy who drives that TC is on this forum so hopefully you can ask him when he comes around. i forgot his name though
the guy who drives that TC is on this forum so hopefully you can ask him when he comes around. i forgot his name though
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Go for it, i'd like to see what happens..Video it if possible..
I know it would be difficult to find a stock 2000 civic since thats what started this thread, but oh well. Theres tons of 02'-04' stock vics..
Good luck!!
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I know it would be difficult to find a stock 2000 civic since thats what started this thread, but oh well. Theres tons of 02'-04' stock vics..
Good luck!!
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There are plenty of stock Toyota Vehicles that have Superchargers manufactured by TRD... the TRD supercharger is a factory option and not an aftermarket option. So Tell me again Why isn't a Supercharged tC stock?
As for the samurai guy. Stock refers to the chasis. The SI and the civic DX share the same chasis. Wich makes the SI a trim of the DX.. wich is pretty much a set package of options and parts they throw on the chasis.
That post was debating the meaning/opinion of Stock. WICH I once again am forced to ask. if the SC tC was set as a different trim as a NA tC would it be then considered stock?
I made a conditional statement. if stock means standard then a civic sI isn't stock. because the standard of a civic is the DX. The entire push behind the scion brand is customization. so they don't have trims. they have a car, a blank canvas if you will, and then they give you options to personalize and make the car your own. Scion could easily just slap on a s/c with the trd exhaust, springs, shocks, short shifter, ground effects, and set it as a trim for the tC and charge 25 k for it. but that takes away from the way they are marketing the vehicles with personalization. So they give you the car and say "This is what we have you can put on it." And as for putting the car together at a port.. Many cars are manufactured over seas and then assembled in country.... for delivery purposes and to reduce shipping costs. So my argument isn't wether or not the civic SI is stock. But why isn't a SuperCharged tC stock? Now the hontards are gonna scream "Cause its forced induction!" and whine something about not being fair. But the fact of the matter is. It is a factory option and not a dealer option, although technically it is a 3rd party manufactured part (technically) it is legally an OEM part in all states so for my part at least thats good enough to consider a S/C tC a stock vehicle and perfectly fair to compare to a 06' civic si
As for the samurai guy. Stock refers to the chasis. The SI and the civic DX share the same chasis. Wich makes the SI a trim of the DX.. wich is pretty much a set package of options and parts they throw on the chasis.
That post was debating the meaning/opinion of Stock. WICH I once again am forced to ask. if the SC tC was set as a different trim as a NA tC would it be then considered stock?
I made a conditional statement. if stock means standard then a civic sI isn't stock. because the standard of a civic is the DX. The entire push behind the scion brand is customization. so they don't have trims. they have a car, a blank canvas if you will, and then they give you options to personalize and make the car your own. Scion could easily just slap on a s/c with the trd exhaust, springs, shocks, short shifter, ground effects, and set it as a trim for the tC and charge 25 k for it. but that takes away from the way they are marketing the vehicles with personalization. So they give you the car and say "This is what we have you can put on it." And as for putting the car together at a port.. Many cars are manufactured over seas and then assembled in country.... for delivery purposes and to reduce shipping costs. So my argument isn't wether or not the civic SI is stock. But why isn't a SuperCharged tC stock? Now the hontards are gonna scream "Cause its forced induction!" and whine something about not being fair. But the fact of the matter is. It is a factory option and not a dealer option, although technically it is a 3rd party manufactured part (technically) it is legally an OEM part in all states so for my part at least thats good enough to consider a S/C tC a stock vehicle and perfectly fair to compare to a 06' civic si
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There are plenty of stock Toyota Vehicles that have Superchargers manufactured by TRD... the TRD supercharger is a factory option and not an aftermarket option. So Tell me again Why isn't a Supercharged tC stock?
As for the samurai guy. Stock refers to the chasis. The SI and the civic DX share the same chasis. Wich makes the SI a trim of the DX.. wich is pretty much a set package of options and parts they throw on the chasis.
That post was debating the meaning/opinion of Stock. WICH I once again am forced to ask. if the SC tC was set as a different trim as a NA tC would it be then considered stock?
I made a conditional statement. if stock means standard then a civic sI isn't stock. because the standard of a civic is the DX. The entire push behind the scion brand is customization. so they don't have trims. they have a car, a blank canvas if you will, and then they give you options to personalize and make the car your own. Scion could easily just slap on a s/c with the trd exhaust, springs, shocks, short shifter, ground effects, and set it as a trim for the tC and charge 25 k for it. but that takes away from the way they are marketing the vehicles with personalization. So they give you the car and say "This is what we have you can put on it." And as for putting the car together at a port.. Many cars are manufactured over seas and then assembled in country.... for delivery purposes and to reduce shipping costs. So my argument isn't wether or not the civic SI is stock. But why isn't a SuperCharged tC stock? Now the hontards are gonna scream "Cause its forced induction!" and whine something about not being fair. But the fact of the matter is. It is a factory option and not a dealer option, although technically it is a 3rd party manufactured part (technically) it is legally an OEM part in all states so for my part at least thats good enough to consider a S/C tC a stock vehicle and perfectly fair to compare to a 06' civic si
As for the samurai guy. Stock refers to the chasis. The SI and the civic DX share the same chasis. Wich makes the SI a trim of the DX.. wich is pretty much a set package of options and parts they throw on the chasis.
That post was debating the meaning/opinion of Stock. WICH I once again am forced to ask. if the SC tC was set as a different trim as a NA tC would it be then considered stock?
I made a conditional statement. if stock means standard then a civic sI isn't stock. because the standard of a civic is the DX. The entire push behind the scion brand is customization. so they don't have trims. they have a car, a blank canvas if you will, and then they give you options to personalize and make the car your own. Scion could easily just slap on a s/c with the trd exhaust, springs, shocks, short shifter, ground effects, and set it as a trim for the tC and charge 25 k for it. but that takes away from the way they are marketing the vehicles with personalization. So they give you the car and say "This is what we have you can put on it." And as for putting the car together at a port.. Many cars are manufactured over seas and then assembled in country.... for delivery purposes and to reduce shipping costs. So my argument isn't wether or not the civic SI is stock. But why isn't a SuperCharged tC stock? Now the hontards are gonna scream "Cause its forced induction!" and whine something about not being fair. But the fact of the matter is. It is a factory option and not a dealer option, although technically it is a 3rd party manufactured part (technically) it is legally an OEM part in all states so for my part at least thats good enough to consider a S/C tC a stock vehicle and perfectly fair to compare to a 06' civic si
2. A TRD S/C'd Tc is not stock because the 2az in stock form is n/a. Read my post above because i tell you exactly why its not stock. I'm tired of repeating myself, all these questions i've answered numerous times.
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1. K tell me what you think stock is.
2. The TRD s/c is not aftermarket. Wich i keep trying to tell you but you can't get it through you head. You can have the s/c in the tC before it hits any dealer lot.
2. The TRD s/c is not aftermarket. Wich i keep trying to tell you but you can't get it through you head. You can have the s/c in the tC before it hits any dealer lot.
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1. K tell me what you think stock is.
2. The TRD s/c is not aftermarket. Wich i keep trying to tell you but you can't get it through you head. You can have the s/c in the tC before it hits any dealer lot.
2. The TRD s/c is not aftermarket. Wich i keep trying to tell you but you can't get it through you head. You can have the s/c in the tC before it hits any dealer lot.
2. You can order the Tc with the S/c yes, but that doesn't automatically mean the car is stock with the s/c. TRD is a Toyota specific aftermarket with a warranty on almost every part TRD produces. Although TRD is a Toyota-based manufacture, the whole point of TRD is to have the aftermarket, but with warranty advantage. That was the whole idea when TRD first started. It was so you can still keep your warranty and have a well made part available through dealerships and the factory.
As i've stated numerous freaking times, the 2az is built and produced as a naturally aspirated motor. If the 2az had a supercharger platform, and the Tc had the s/c'd 2az, than yes, it would then become stock. However, it doesn't. Its a TRD option just like you have the ZPI option. And as i've stated atleast once before, the only difference is Toyota backs up the part with TRD whereas they don't with ZPI.
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K here is after-market for yah
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=after-market
Now it says previous purchase. So if you purchase the car with the s/c. its not aftermarket. TRD makes many parts for toyota vehicles as an option. But since you are a fanboi and makes your hondas look like what they are. You want to scream that its aftermarket and not fair.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=after-market
Now it says previous purchase. So if you purchase the car with the s/c. its not aftermarket. TRD makes many parts for toyota vehicles as an option. But since you are a fanboi and makes your hondas look like what they are. You want to scream that its aftermarket and not fair.
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K here is after-market for yah
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=after-market
Now it says previous purchase. So if you purchase the car with the s/c. its not aftermarket. TRD makes many parts for toyota vehicles as an option. But since you are a fanboi and makes your hondas look like what they are. You want to scream that its aftermarket and not fair.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=after-market
Now it says previous purchase. So if you purchase the car with the s/c. its not aftermarket. TRD makes many parts for toyota vehicles as an option. But since you are a fanboi and makes your hondas look like what they are. You want to scream that its aftermarket and not fair.
The Tc does not come supercharged. If there was a Tc-s and that model was supercharged, than the tc-s would be stock. However, its just a TC and it comes naturally aspirated.
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Also, while im at it..
You can't buy the TC with the supercharger on it. You buy the Tc and order the supercharger. If both come in at the same time, they put it on all at once. Which, IMO you are a moron for putting boost on a n/a motor without breaking it in but people do it all the time..whatever.
Point of this is: You don't buy the Tc already boosted. You buy the TC, and then boost it regardless of TRD or not. You order both seperately but have the convinence of keeping warranty and having it added to monthly payments because again, Toyota has their name on it.
You can't buy the TC with the supercharger on it. You buy the Tc and order the supercharger. If both come in at the same time, they put it on all at once. Which, IMO you are a moron for putting boost on a n/a motor without breaking it in but people do it all the time..whatever.
Point of this is: You don't buy the Tc already boosted. You buy the TC, and then boost it regardless of TRD or not. You order both seperately but have the convinence of keeping warranty and having it added to monthly payments because again, Toyota has their name on it.
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are you whacko? Or did you just not read the post on WHY there are no trims in the scion brand? the 2az is built with stout internals already. Wich has been tried and proven. TRD/Toyota didn't build the 2az around supercharging. They built the supercharger around the 2az..
So if you know what after-market is (supposedly) why did you call the TRD supercharger for the tC when clearly by definition it isn't.
You have no idea what the 2az is capable of, and if you knew anything about the tC you would know that it on stock internals it can handle 10+ psi. Wich is why they even bothered in developing a supercharger for the engine as a FACTORY OPTION. So your argument is "Toyota didn't throw on the letter "S" on the end of the "tC" so its not stock" By your reasoning the TRD exhaust on a tC is aftermarket and no longer makes the tC "Stock" By your reasoning the TRD shocks/struts and springs are aftermarket and no longer make the tC "Stock". OR What about the short-shifter? Yah by your reasoning the tC is no longer "Stock" OR what about the Wheel and Tire upgrade? Stock? Gasp.. maybe not. My tC is by no means stock. OR What about when/if TRD releases thier air-intake for the tC... yah not stock right. You are a fanboi plain and simple. If toyota didn't offer the Super charger or any of the other modifications from the factory I would agree on the entire after-market/stock issue. But to Look down and turn your nose up at the scion brand cause they don't off trims? The scion tC and other scion vehicles have already made the honda line up look like overpriced tonka toys (wich they are) and the Civic Si is a direct attempt to redeem themselves. The scion tC has nothing to prove. the Civic Si does. and from specs on it right now. It is doing a lowsy job.
The Civic Si is still boasting a whopping 139 hp at 6,200 rpms and 197 hp at 7000 rpms if i remember correctly. THe current Civic Si has the same torque numbers and weighs less. The 197 HP is nice I'll give the civic that. But it needs all that power up high to make up for the low end. The car weighs 2877 lbs. the tC weighs 2905 lbs Runs on premium gas thanks to the 11.1 ratio
NOW GEARING. since this seems to be something you will bring up about weight. The only gear that is shorter in the civic si is 1st at 3.267 and the tC at 3.5 something. all the other gears in the tC are shorter. So as for aggressive shorter gearing. The tC takes it still.
Here is my source on the 06 Civic Si and as for the tC, its right here on scionlife.
http://www.hondanews.com/CatID2015?m...58648&mime=asc
So if you know what after-market is (supposedly) why did you call the TRD supercharger for the tC when clearly by definition it isn't.
You have no idea what the 2az is capable of, and if you knew anything about the tC you would know that it on stock internals it can handle 10+ psi. Wich is why they even bothered in developing a supercharger for the engine as a FACTORY OPTION. So your argument is "Toyota didn't throw on the letter "S" on the end of the "tC" so its not stock" By your reasoning the TRD exhaust on a tC is aftermarket and no longer makes the tC "Stock" By your reasoning the TRD shocks/struts and springs are aftermarket and no longer make the tC "Stock". OR What about the short-shifter? Yah by your reasoning the tC is no longer "Stock" OR what about the Wheel and Tire upgrade? Stock? Gasp.. maybe not. My tC is by no means stock. OR What about when/if TRD releases thier air-intake for the tC... yah not stock right. You are a fanboi plain and simple. If toyota didn't offer the Super charger or any of the other modifications from the factory I would agree on the entire after-market/stock issue. But to Look down and turn your nose up at the scion brand cause they don't off trims? The scion tC and other scion vehicles have already made the honda line up look like overpriced tonka toys (wich they are) and the Civic Si is a direct attempt to redeem themselves. The scion tC has nothing to prove. the Civic Si does. and from specs on it right now. It is doing a lowsy job.
The Civic Si is still boasting a whopping 139 hp at 6,200 rpms and 197 hp at 7000 rpms if i remember correctly. THe current Civic Si has the same torque numbers and weighs less. The 197 HP is nice I'll give the civic that. But it needs all that power up high to make up for the low end. The car weighs 2877 lbs. the tC weighs 2905 lbs Runs on premium gas thanks to the 11.1 ratio
NOW GEARING. since this seems to be something you will bring up about weight. The only gear that is shorter in the civic si is 1st at 3.267 and the tC at 3.5 something. all the other gears in the tC are shorter. So as for aggressive shorter gearing. The tC takes it still.
Here is my source on the 06 Civic Si and as for the tC, its right here on scionlife.
http://www.hondanews.com/CatID2015?m...58648&mime=asc
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Originally Posted by TimmyT
are you whacko? Or did you just not read the post on WHY there are no trims in the scion brand? the 2az is built with stout internals already. Wich has been tried and proven. TRD/Toyota didn't build the 2az around supercharging. They built the supercharger around the 2az..
So if you know what after-market is (supposedly) why did you call the TRD supercharger for the tC when clearly by definition it isn't.
You have no idea what the 2az is capable of, and if you knew anything about the tC you would know that it on stock internals it can handle 10+ psi. Wich is why they even bothered in developing a supercharger for the engine as a FACTORY OPTION. So your argument is "Toyota didn't throw on the letter "S" on the end of the "tC" so its not stock" By your reasoning the TRD exhaust on a tC is aftermarket and no longer makes the tC "Stock" By your reasoning the TRD shocks/struts and springs are aftermarket and no longer make the tC "Stock". OR What about the short-shifter? Yah by your reasoning the tC is no longer "Stock" OR what about the Wheel and Tire upgrade? Stock? Gasp.. maybe not. My tC is by no means stock. OR What about when/if TRD releases thier air-intake for the tC... yah not stock right. You are a fanboi plain and simple. If toyota didn't offer the Super charger or any of the other modifications from the factory I would agree on the entire after-market/stock issue. But to Look down and turn your nose up at the scion brand cause they don't off trims? The scion tC and other scion vehicles have already made the honda line up look like overpriced tonka toys (wich they are) and the Civic Si is a direct attempt to redeem themselves. The scion tC has nothing to prove. the Civic Si does. and from specs on it right now. It is doing a lowsy job.
The Civic Si is still boasting a whopping 130 hp at 6,200 rpms and 197 hp at 7000 rpms if i remember correctly. THe current Civic Si has the same torque numbers and weighs less. The 197 HP is nice I'll give the civic that. But it needs all that power up high to make up for the low end.
So if you know what after-market is (supposedly) why did you call the TRD supercharger for the tC when clearly by definition it isn't.
You have no idea what the 2az is capable of, and if you knew anything about the tC you would know that it on stock internals it can handle 10+ psi. Wich is why they even bothered in developing a supercharger for the engine as a FACTORY OPTION. So your argument is "Toyota didn't throw on the letter "S" on the end of the "tC" so its not stock" By your reasoning the TRD exhaust on a tC is aftermarket and no longer makes the tC "Stock" By your reasoning the TRD shocks/struts and springs are aftermarket and no longer make the tC "Stock". OR What about the short-shifter? Yah by your reasoning the tC is no longer "Stock" OR what about the Wheel and Tire upgrade? Stock? Gasp.. maybe not. My tC is by no means stock. OR What about when/if TRD releases thier air-intake for the tC... yah not stock right. You are a fanboi plain and simple. If toyota didn't offer the Super charger or any of the other modifications from the factory I would agree on the entire after-market/stock issue. But to Look down and turn your nose up at the scion brand cause they don't off trims? The scion tC and other scion vehicles have already made the honda line up look like overpriced tonka toys (wich they are) and the Civic Si is a direct attempt to redeem themselves. The scion tC has nothing to prove. the Civic Si does. and from specs on it right now. It is doing a lowsy job.
The Civic Si is still boasting a whopping 130 hp at 6,200 rpms and 197 hp at 7000 rpms if i remember correctly. THe current Civic Si has the same torque numbers and weighs less. The 197 HP is nice I'll give the civic that. But it needs all that power up high to make up for the low end.
The Tc still has lots to prove in long term situations because its still very new. Theres only a handful of boosted Tc's still therefore its still new to the game. Also, your arguement of 10psi..Sorry, the TRD s/cer is rated around 6psi if i'm not mistaken. It only puts down around 200whp. Wow, its proven itself with that. If you wanted to show what the 2az is made of, look at what ZPI has done or other turbos. Not some 6psi 200whp figures. What does scion and no trim levels have to do with anything in this discussion. The fact they don't have trim levels is the whole point, a stock TC has no boost or any aftermarket goodies. Because it doesn't have trim levels is all proven my words about the TRD s/c'd 2az not stock vs. your arguement of stock because omg, Toyota put their name on it.
Thats the most ridiculous and one track minded comment i've ever heard of.All turbos and superchargers designed for a specific motor are built around the motor, so that comment was also useless. I was also using the "Tc-S" as an example of a level TC with a stock supercharger. AKA: tC that comes direct from the port with a supercharger, built with a supercharger, and ready to go as a boosted 2.4l.
All i have to say is...Know what you are talking about before you post..seriously.
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YOU SIR are whacko, that or you just can't read. No where did I state that the TRD Supercharger was 10 psi. I Stated that the 2az has been proven to handle in excess of 10psi boost wich is why toyota even bothered developing a supercharger for the car. You have no idea what you are talking about and you want to know how i know? Cause the TRD supercharger isn't rated at 200whp And where do you think they add the supercharger? Not at the dealer. Not at your uncles shop. You have no idea what you are talking about and as for me knowing crap about honda engines. WTF are you talking about? I posted the information and I don't know about honda engines? Its exactly why I Don't like hondas and Would take a nissan or toyota over one anyday.
and Yes toyota does have thier name on the parts. BUT thats not the argument. The argument is you get the car from the FACTORY with those options. They are not dealer options nor are they aftermarket.
AND YES the Civic does have something to prove, because of all the civics you mentioned that proven themeselves. the Scion tC thoroughly put the smack down on each and everyone of them through value and performance.
and Yes toyota does have thier name on the parts. BUT thats not the argument. The argument is you get the car from the FACTORY with those options. They are not dealer options nor are they aftermarket.
AND YES the Civic does have something to prove, because of all the civics you mentioned that proven themeselves. the Scion tC thoroughly put the smack down on each and everyone of them through value and performance.
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Originally Posted by TimmyT
YOU SIR are whacko, that or you just can't read. No where did I state that the TRD Supercharger was 10 psi. I Stated that the 2az has been proven to handle in excess of 10psi boost wich is why toyota even bothered developing a supercharger for the car. You have no idea what you are talking about and you want to know how i know? Cause the TRD supercharger isn't rated at 200whp And where do you think they add the supercharger? Not at the dealer. Not at your uncles shop. You have no idea what you are talking about and as for me knowing crap about honda engines. WTF are you talking about? I posted the information and I don't know about honda engines? Its exactly why I Don't like hondas and Would take a nissan or toyota over one anyday.
and Yes toyota does have thier name on the parts. BUT thats not the argument. The argument is you get the car from the FACTORY with those options. They are not dealer options nor are they aftermarket.
AND YES the Civic does have something to prove, because of all the civics you mentioned that proven themeselves. the Scion tC thoroughly put the smack down on each and everyone of them through value and performance.
and Yes toyota does have thier name on the parts. BUT thats not the argument. The argument is you get the car from the FACTORY with those options. They are not dealer options nor are they aftermarket.
AND YES the Civic does have something to prove, because of all the civics you mentioned that proven themeselves. the Scion tC thoroughly put the smack down on each and everyone of them through value and performance.
"You have no idea what the 2az is capable of, and if you knew anything about the tC you would know that it on stock internals it can handle 10+ psi. Wich is why they even bothered in developing a supercharger for the engine as a FACTORY OPTION." That comment right there makes it sound like you imply TRD being 10psi.
FYI: TRD developed the supercharger because they know it could sell, not based off powergains. If it was strictly for the fact of powergains, it would be putting down more than 200whp. And yes, the TRD is rated at 200whp from every artical i've read. Its something like 220hp, which would put it at the wheels around 200.
Infact, someone posted from a show a trd tC and the sticker showed 200whp with the information on it. Which is why theres been so many post on here about people not wanting to the get the TRD because they don't want to pay $3k for something that only puts out so much whp, when same price, they get get much more. Again, Toyota being considerate because they have their name on it.
And yes, you don't know anything about honda if you claim the Si has to prove something. Honda has proven itself in general with the aftermarket, know your place with the tC.
Toyota has their name on it isn't an arguemnt? Then quit saying because its a factory option its stock. Jesus man. A boosted 2az isn't stock for the last time.
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Um they are added at the dealership for the tC's already purchased. Now that is released you will be able to add it on when you build your own scion from the website. And YES a boosted 2az is stock. Its a Modified 2az, but there is nothing aftermarket on it if you add the TRD supercharger on it. And in no way did the statement imply anything about the TRD supercharger being 10 psi.