HAHA!!

You have never even SEEN the towers collapse have you?

Chatpter 5 of FEMA's report on the collapse of WTC 7 states in part that the burning diesel fuel heated trusses to the point where they lost most of their strength, precipitating a total collapse of Building 7.

They ask us to believe that an event that would be expected only to cause the sagging of a floor instead led not only to total collapse, but to such a tidy collapse that directly adjacent buildings were scarcely even damaged. This is surprising behavior for a steel frame skyscraper designed to survive fires, hurricanes, and earthquakes.

After laying out this highly improbable scenario, the FEMA report authors conclude:

"The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence. Further research, investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue. "

Even FEMA wants more research done. Yet they continue to block investigators.

 

Obviously you do not have an open mind, but even if just one person on here rethinks the events (and judging by the amount of PM's I have, Id say its working) then I feel like I have done my duty as an American to defend TRUTH and LIBERTY from the bloodied hands of tyranny.

 

Good for you, I'm glad that you have a lot of supporters that won't speak up in an anonymous setting such as this....

I am going to vote you for king. As soon as you can tell me why and when it was all set into motion.

ScionDad, you are a true wise man.

 

I am going to take the mature, adult approach with this.


<--HeathenBrewing

 

HeathenBrewing,
I'm with you on this one... I didn't want to take sides in this debate, but you let facts speak for themselves, while other people just blindly believe whatever the government wants them to.

Matt_a,
Why must you keep insisting that Democrats and Rebublicans run the world? And that they could never agree on anything, therefore never keep a secret. There are thousands, if not millions of government "secrets" out there. Besides, is the CIA democratic or Republican? Neither! "THE GOVERNMENT" as a whole has kept tons of secrets from the public. Please stop insisting that it's impossible for the government to lie to you. Look at the facts, look at a history book, and you'll see, they do it al the time.

I can't say exactly who knocked down the towers, but I would rather use my own mind to think about it, rather than just sit back and let the government or TV news tell me how it happend.

-THE DON

 

I think it's hilarious how people who want to believe a conspiracy can honestly think our government and media are one big, united body. That's exactly what this boils down to. If you believe that 9/11 is a conspiracy, than you have to believe that both political parties are in on it. I'm not buying it.
I'm also not just "sitting back and letting the government or TV tell me how it happened." I am thinking for myself, which is why it is so obviously not true.

I have to admit, you kinda surprised me with this one. I've read lots of your posts in the past.
You didn't strike me as being one of the "aluminum foil hat" types.

 

FALSE.

In logic, what you just said is known as a false dilemma. Giving one choice or another, when in fact there are many more options. It's closed minded views like these that are stopping you from seeing the big picture.

When "The Government" conducts secret experiments on people, or when the CIA secretly "neutralizes" (assassinates) enemies, or when the US military seals off a huge airbase in Goom Lake Nevada and pretends it doesn't exist, what "political party" is behind that? And why doesn't the other party raise hell until the truth comes out. Because that's not how it works.

Once again, stop insisting that political parties run our country.

-THE DON

 

I think if nothing else, Heathenbrewing has proved that there were big stones left unturned. That-in fact- there are biq questions that need to be answered before the complete picture can be realized and there is no one in the media stepping up to do it. It is a fact that when attempts have been made, they have been shot down by commissions and depts in the bureaucracy. That alone should ring some alarm bells.

For whomever it is that keeps bringing up the DEM/REP political angle, I dont think you grasp what Heathenbrewing is trying to say. He is asking you to look at facts. He wants these facts studied without the bias of political debate. It is very possible for cover-ups to occur within other depts of govt or business without political knowledge. Something like this demands that we not be partisan. Are news agencies asked by management to cover one story over another or kill certain stories? You betcha.

Its that DEM vs REP mentality that is tearing at our democracy. Its bad for the country because each is a label that doesn't allow for fresh ideas or ideas that straddle ideologs. It acts as a way to misdirect attention and is often used to constrict what may be good ideas. These political games play to the worst in people.

 

Thanks THE_DON.

I have been doing lectures and video viewing for almost 2 years now and am use to hearing name calling and personal insults....its nothing new. But when I confront those peole and ask them to give me their opinion on what happened, they just parrot what they are told with doing any critical thinking on the issue. Some people dont want their bubble to burst.

While bringing up these facts is an uphill battle, I will continue to do what I feel is the right thing to do.

 

Then you should have an opinion on what caused WTC 7 to collapse.

Im still waiting to hear it.

 

Probably because they dont want to have to deal with the hassle of someone who won't look at the facts. What's the point of conversing if you will not be open minded.

 

100% correct. Your reading comprehension is spot on.

People naturally want to be part of the "winning team" even to the detriment of their own good. Just look at the rabid loyalty people have to not only political parties, but sports teams as well. I see people go into depresion for a day or even longer when there team loses, but bring up a subject like goverment corruption and I get this blank stare...."Didnt you hear me? My team loss to those lousy (insert team)."

 

That sports team mentality has been carefully crafted. They even have team colors.. blue and red. I find it all very simple when one party creates a 'talking point' or label for another party or politician. It simplifies it, turning into something its not. Real life, and real problems are much more complex. Sometimes the answers arent simple yes and no and dont fall into either DEM or REP camp. Thats a very real problem.

 

3 different video angles of 7 falling:

http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html

These images are NOT as clear as the ones on the DVD's BTW, but it is easier than renting a video I guess.

Note how the "penthouse" collapses first, indicating that somehow the interior core columns gave way first, although WTC 7 was not hit by aircraft debris and had no significant fires.

Also look at a edge....it does not sway or wave, but instead falls straight down.

Remember that Larry Silverstein has already admitted that he made the decision to "pull" WTC 7. Compare that collapse with 1 and 2, if you dare.

 

and suspiciosully Larry silverstein, orignanlly owned only wtc 7, but 3 months before 9/11 he purchased all 7 buildings, and insured them for 7 billion$

 

I know they deliberately demolished at least one of the buildings in the WTC plaza because it was structurally weakened by the collapse of the towers. I wonder if it was WTC7. That might solve the conspiracy.

 

A+ for drawing the viewer in within the 1st 2 mins of the film. Im just curious, for those who think it wasn't a conspiracy did the 1st few minutes have you questioning yourself?

 

At first when i saw this thread, I laughed and said "Yeah right" then i watched the entire video. There were somethings that looked dumb, but other that really got me questioning it.

 

Removing the link from our site will not remove that information from the internet. ScionLife is not the website that is hosting that information and it is available to anyone that discovers it. By removing the entire thread I would be limiting the ability for people to discuss the validity of the information. Obviously many people on our site do not agree with the information presented and have voiced their opinion.

You have offended ME with your stereotypical attack on those of middle-eastern descent. ScionLife's off-topic area is the PERFECT place for people to discuss any non-Scion themed topic. Open your mind and allow people to talk about things that you don't necessarily agree with.

And THANK you for telling me that everyone thinks ScionLife is the "worst site". Reading your grammar and spelling I can tell that you are extremely qualified to assemble reliable and accurate information and deliver it unmolested.

Darren

 

Oooo.......Snap!