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Old Mar 7, 2007 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by seattledave
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So according to you...Am I Mexican by race or nationality?
well since "mexican" is not a race.
and you were born in america.

you're not mexican any way you cut it. maybe your parents are. maybe you want to be. maybe you celebrate mexico in everyway you can.

but you're american, of hispanic ethnicity. that's it.
WRONG! I am American of Mexican Descent!
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 08:44 PM
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^^^American is American.

Hows all that racial labelling working out for you guys? Defining people by race has never done crap good for me, but it must be doing something good in your lives.
Why don't you all go beat some poor kids in south LA, and then go patrol the Mexican border for awhile...sounds like thats road your moving on.

Seriously, though. Labelling yourself or anyone else by 'race' is gonna f**k everybody in this country someday.
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 08:47 PM
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Abortions should be illegal. If you are gonna have sex, be responsible. If you are not going to be responsible, pay the price. Every woman does have the right to do what she wants with her body including having protected sex. Yes, I have sympathy for women that get raped and they should be allowed to have an abortion. The downside to that is many women that were not raped might accuse somebody of raping them just to take the easy way out. In turn, I think that there would be a lot of false accusations and innocent men behind bars for no reason. My thoughts, just use protection. If you are not responsible enough to do that, buy some **** and toys. Oh yeah, what does this have to do with Scions?
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by tCTaco
Originally Posted by seattledave
Originally Posted by tCTaco
So according to you...Am I Mexican by race or nationality?
well since "mexican" is not a race.
and you were born in america.

you're not mexican any way you cut it. maybe your parents are. maybe you want to be. maybe you celebrate mexico in everyway you can.

but you're american, of hispanic ethnicity. that's it.
WRONG! I am American of Mexican Descent!
ooo sick burn
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by evilBOXevil
^^^American is American.

Hows all that racial labelling working out for you guys? Defining people by race has never done crap good for me, but it must be doing something good in your lives.
Why don't you all go beat some poor kids in south LA, and then go patrol the Mexican border for awhile...sounds like thats road your moving on.

Seriously, though. Labelling yourself or anyone else by 'race' is gonna f**k everybody in this country someday.
I agree, American is American, but people will always be labled because of their ethnicity. I lable myself proudly as an American, But I was trying to make a point from what started on a couple pages ago.
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ceastham
Abortions should be illegal. If you are gonna have sex, be responsible. If you are not going to be responsible, pay the price. Every woman does have the right to do what she wants with her body including having protected sex. Yes, I have sympathy for women that get raped and they should be allowed to have an abortion. The downside to that is many women that were not raped might accuse somebody of raping them just to take the easy way out. In turn, I think that there would be a lot of false accusations and innocent men behind bars for no reason. My thoughts, just use protection. If you are not responsible enough to do that, buy some **** and toys. Oh yeah, what does this have to do with Scions?
everyday, 1-3% of all humans on this earth using pregnancy prevention methods has an accident. Accidents happen, need to leave options for those people and have them readily available. Most americans support this (the votes in this thread are a small sample population example). Even in southern states (where abortion is typically against peoples moral values more often), courts are allowing abortions to be done more freely. Even though it may be against their religion and they may be devout (christians for example), they realize its only right to allow abortions. Majority rules, minority rights
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by tCTaco
Originally Posted by seattledave
Originally Posted by tCTaco
So according to you...Am I Mexican by race or nationality?
well since "mexican" is not a race.
and you were born in america.

you're not mexican any way you cut it. maybe your parents are. maybe you want to be. maybe you celebrate mexico in everyway you can.

but you're american, of hispanic ethnicity. that's it.
WRONG! I am American of Mexican Descent!
i agree you are american of mexican descent, but nothing i said was wrong.

american? check
hispanic ethnicity? check
part white, part native american? check
mexican descent? check
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 09:02 PM
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back to abortions please lol
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by backseatchris
if anyone needs an abortion just pm me i'll help ya find the nearest clinic. no questions asked

theres my stance and support for the whole issue summed up.
Well, you win the award for most tasteless post in this thread - and that's saying something...
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 09:19 PM
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Wow! I've been gone for 3 hours and this jumped to 5 pages, a couple funny jokes from taco (once again), and.....what else...

oh yeah, seattledave....you're a moron!

that's about it.
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Tito_Cruz
Wow! I've been gone for 3 hours and this jumped to 5 pages, a couple funny jokes from taco (once again), and.....what else...

oh yeah, seattledave....you're a moron!

that's about it.
So you really havent missed much...
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 09:25 PM
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At least he makes points for his stance (wrong as they may be)
not like the other boy who just points and accuses like a maniac
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 09:32 PM
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There is no cut and dry definition of abortion. Some people believe contraception is equal to that of abortion. Is masturbation abortion? What about the morning after pill? So you're telling me that some little kid that just had a wet dream just killed a baby? There are some real fanatics out there, but I personally believe that once you know that you are pregnant or have gotten someone pregnant and you choose to terminate the pregnancy, then it is murder. Like I said... it's my personal belief. However, I definitely don't believe that the morning after pill, birth control, and condoms are wrong.

In the case of rape, incest, and other special circumstances, I believe that abortion should be an option, but only in the first trimester of the pregnancy. Abortion should be the last option.
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 09:38 PM
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[quote="midgethearsexb"]There is no cut and dry definition of abortion. Some people believe contraception is equal to that of abortion. Is masturbation abortion? What about the morning after pill? So you're telling me that some little kid that just had a wet dream just killed a baby? [quote]


WOW.....I didnt know that firing off some knuckle children was considered abortion to some?
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 09:38 PM
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yeah...he get's kudos for the points...I'll admit it.

LOL at taco!
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 09:53 PM
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Aside from September 11 and the 1993 attempt to destroy the World Trade Center, almost all of the other terrorist acts in the US are Christian.

Most traditional societies have had a close tie between political leadership and religious authority, and religion often plays a role in undergirding the moral authority of public life. In Judaism the Davidic line of kingship is anointed by God; in Hinduism the kings are thought to uphold divine order through the white umbrella of dharma; in Christianity the political history of Europe is rife with contesting and sometimes merging lines of authority between church and state. Violent Jewish, Hindu, and Christian activists in recent years have all, like their Muslim counterparts, looked to traditional religious patterns of politicized religion to justify their own militant stance.

Even more troubling are strands of Christian theocracy that have emerged among
extreme groups in the United States. Some employ violence in their opposition to secular society and their hatred of a globalized culture and economy. A neo-Calvinist theology of a religious state lies behind the bombing of abortion clinics and the shooting of abortion clinic staff by Lutheran and Presbyterian activists in Maryland and Florida. The Christian Identity philosophy of race war and a government enshrining a White Christian supremacy lies behind the attack on the Atlanta Olympic park, the bombing of ___ bars and abortion clinics, the killing of a Denve radio talk-show host, an assault on a Jewish day care center in Los Angeles, and many other incidents—including Ruby Ridge—perpetrated by Christian militia in recent years. The Christian Cosmotheism espoused by William Pierce and embraced by Timothy McVeigh was the ideological justification for McVeigh’s bombing of the Oklahoma City Federal Building. In fact, there have been more attacks—far more, in fact—by Christian terrorist groups on American soil in the last fifteen years than Muslim ones.

Religion and government go hand-in-hand. This is a serious problem.
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 09:56 PM
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Indeed.

Christians back in the day went on "rampage" and killed a whole bunch of people because of their opposing beliefs. But hey Muslims are all terrorists right?
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tC4italy
Indeed.

Christians back in the day went on "rampage" and killed a whole bunch of people because of their opposing beliefs. But hey Muslims are all terrorists right?
Back in the day? No need to go that far back. Some did that just 4 years ago. All in the name of religion.

Its not a Muslim problem. Its not a Christian problem. The problem is religion. It has been twisted into a political tool.

Remember Bush said that "God told me" to go in and invade Iraq. People have been sent into mental institutions for saying crazy sh*t like that! But I have no illusions. He is NO man of god. He simply manipulates.
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 10:04 PM
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all people that believe the world will end with their made up religion versus every other person on the planet in a battle to the death is crazy if you ask me.
Old Mar 7, 2007 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by seattledave
all people that believe the world will end with their made up religion versus every other person on the planet in a battle to the death is crazy if you ask me.
Unfortunately, as history shows, it can have a disastrous effect on the rest of us.



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