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Originally Posted by seattledave
Originally Posted by SciontCya
Human Life is not a "technicality"
Go spend some more time in school.
Go spend some more time in school.
OK, define "human"
Is a single cell organism that has human dna and chromosomes a human?
If so, then so is blood and semen.
I'm not going to get into that debate as it's way too technical, and takes away from the basic premise here.
Everyone has a different view on what life is.
No point arguing it.
Read my posts - I'm not saying abortion should be banned, only carefully considered.
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Originally Posted by SciontCya
Human Life is not a "technicality"
Go spend some more time in school.
Being free doesn't mean absolutely free to do ANYTHING you want...
Go spend some more time in school.
Being free doesn't mean absolutely free to do ANYTHING you want...
1. all life is a technicality. There are points where technically you are or are not alive. An organism that does not think for itself, feed itself, adapt to its own enviroment, reproduce, etc is considered by 99.99% of the scientific community to not be alaive.
2. Being free and having rights are different things. You and i are both free to walk down the street with a flamethrower killing hundreds of people...but we dont legally have the right to do that. It is a living humans right to not be killed. Therefore, its not right to kill someone.
soooo, women are free to have abortions, and they will forever, whther its right or not.
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Originally Posted by draxcaliber
yes, the choices! that is the most important part of all. if you view abortion as morally wrong then guess what? YOU NEVER EVER HAVE TO HAVE ONE! it is up to you. but if you don't have any problems with the moral or ethical implications, and can afford it, the choice is yours.
if you want to deem it as murder, then where does it end? capital punishment will be outlawed, it will be illegal to sell feeder rats to snake owners. you can't put your sick smelly blind three-legged dog to sleep etc.
this is the usa, you are here to live your life and only your life and you can't make the choices that severely effect the lives of others besides maybe your own children. let other people live their lives the way they want to without disturbing the happiness of others.
by the way, nobody even mentioned abortion if the life of the mother is endangered by the pregnancy? what do you do then? is it murder to kill the mother to save the child? or to let the child be born and let the mother die? who do you save? guess what, you have no right to determine who lives or dies, but the mother does. she can choose if she wants to live or if she cares more about her child than herself.
if you want to deem it as murder, then where does it end? capital punishment will be outlawed, it will be illegal to sell feeder rats to snake owners. you can't put your sick smelly blind three-legged dog to sleep etc.
this is the usa, you are here to live your life and only your life and you can't make the choices that severely effect the lives of others besides maybe your own children. let other people live their lives the way they want to without disturbing the happiness of others.
by the way, nobody even mentioned abortion if the life of the mother is endangered by the pregnancy? what do you do then? is it murder to kill the mother to save the child? or to let the child be born and let the mother die? who do you save? guess what, you have no right to determine who lives or dies, but the mother does. she can choose if she wants to live or if she cares more about her child than herself.
And you know what else? If they find out my baby *knocks on wood* will be born with a irrevocable symdrom and will suffer for the rest of his/her life. i rather not put the baby through such future pain.
But hey you can call me a murderer for that I could care less. I rather be viewed as such other than a woman who allows "torture" and a life of unhappyness for the kid.
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Originally Posted by backseatchris
ok so if someones raped, has an abortion, and 10 yrs later wants a kid but cant because they are sterile...what do you do? If a woman has an abortion @15 and wants a kid at 25, what then...sorry?
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60% of all women in the USA have an abortion at some point in their life and 75% of women are raped at one point or another in their life. If i keep boiling out more numbers you'll quickly find out that within a generation or 2, your gonna run out of women capable of having children completely.
and 75%...man that's messed up. again, i'd love to read where you got this.
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Not only is this wrong, its unethical, and especially an abnormal way of thinking if you desire the extinction of your own species...
as soon as me and you start hearing about food, water & land surpluses, maybe i'll change my mind.
Personally....Im not for it, but I leave it up to the women...UNLESS ITS MY CHILD Then I would never think of doing such a thing. I love life too much and could never think of taking that from someone that I created who hasent even had the chance to experience it.
I did give a close friend of mine the money to have an abortion. 340.00 dollars to take a life away. She was in no condition to have a baby because of a really bad situation. I loaned her the money. She paid me back and have looked down on her because of it and rarely speak with her now..Not because I dont like or care for her, but because she has fallen far from recovery.
Its very tragic when a women gets pregnant from a rape, but it is just plain ignorant to have an abortion just because you got pregnant on your on free will and did not take the time to get protection or some sort of birth control
I did give a close friend of mine the money to have an abortion. 340.00 dollars to take a life away. She was in no condition to have a baby because of a really bad situation. I loaned her the money. She paid me back and have looked down on her because of it and rarely speak with her now..Not because I dont like or care for her, but because she has fallen far from recovery.
Its very tragic when a women gets pregnant from a rape, but it is just plain ignorant to have an abortion just because you got pregnant on your on free will and did not take the time to get protection or some sort of birth control
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Originally Posted by SciontCya
No, Dave, LAWS are about technicalities, life is different.
I'm not going to get into that debate as it's way too technical, and takes away from the basic premise here.
Everyone has a different view on what life is.
No point arguing it.
I'm not going to get into that debate as it's way too technical, and takes away from the basic premise here.
Everyone has a different view on what life is.
No point arguing it.
life is life.
my cells are alive, they reproduce, they make food.
there is all the dna in them to reproduce a life.
this is a debate thread.
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Originally Posted by backseatchris
1. all life is a technicality. There are points where technically you are or are not alive. An organism that does not think for itself, feed itself, adapt to its own enviroment, reproduce, etc is considered by 99.99% of the scientific community to not be alaive.
In fact, when my brother was in an accident in the Marine Corps, he was pretty much that way for a year. He's 100% recovered now - 23 years later. I bet he's happy we didn't hold the pillow over his face.
Life is not all judged and based in science, my friend - and I was a researcher at UCLA for 13 years in the hard sciences.
Your stat above is not only wrong, but it's scary that you believe that.
I dont think it should be banned....But like I said before, I loadned a friend the money for an abortion and took her to the clinic......walked in and two hours and $340.00 later we walked out no questions asked! .....I just think there has to be some sort of standards to have an abortion performed.
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I am personally opposed to abortion, but I feel it should be legal.
Whether or not we are opposed this issue on 'moral' grounds, I feel that the government handing out laws based on 'moral' or religious precepts is possibly more dangerous to human life in our society than the deed itself. Even from the traditional American Christian-when-it-serves-me-to-be viewpoint, only god can AND WILL judge your actions- not a bunch of old white men sitting around plotting what kind of new profitable take on 'morality' they can force onto people.
Is it murder? I don't know. Noone has ever sufficiently demonstrated a concious mind, or sentient being at such an early stage of development.
...of course then this leads to the question of conciousness/sentience being a requirement for what we deem as a living being.
This is a debate that may never end- but I'd rather see people debate and argue than to have a governmental declaration of a moral/religious standard forced upon us.
Whether or not we are opposed this issue on 'moral' grounds, I feel that the government handing out laws based on 'moral' or religious precepts is possibly more dangerous to human life in our society than the deed itself. Even from the traditional American Christian-when-it-serves-me-to-be viewpoint, only god can AND WILL judge your actions- not a bunch of old white men sitting around plotting what kind of new profitable take on 'morality' they can force onto people.
Is it murder? I don't know. Noone has ever sufficiently demonstrated a concious mind, or sentient being at such an early stage of development.
...of course then this leads to the question of conciousness/sentience being a requirement for what we deem as a living being.
This is a debate that may never end- but I'd rather see people debate and argue than to have a governmental declaration of a moral/religious standard forced upon us.
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Originally Posted by seattledave
Originally Posted by SciontCya
No, Dave, LAWS are about technicalities, life is different.
I'm not going to get into that debate as it's way too technical, and takes away from the basic premise here.
Everyone has a different view on what life is.
No point arguing it.
I'm not going to get into that debate as it's way too technical, and takes away from the basic premise here.
Everyone has a different view on what life is.
No point arguing it.
life is life.
my cells are alive, they reproduce, they make food.
there is all the dna in them to reproduce a life.
this is a debate thread.
If you make it illegal to dissolve the cells of a fetus because the cells are alive, then its MUST be made illegal to **********, bleed, have surgery to remove cancer cells, bite your nails, shave,etc.
You cant just draw the line at abortions only, thats illogical because you are basing your argument on how you feel about it, not the biological facts of it.
And i would not draw the line ever on what someone else is allowed to do with their life.Thats rediculous.
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I think it should be kept legal. Unless they can prove that it is actually a human. I just pray the little one doesn't feel the pain. But this is America, and America is suppose to stand for freedom.
I don't like abortion, but it's still a right. I believe if you're old enough to jump in the sack, you should be woman enough to handle having it.
If it was made illegal; what do you do about the baby fathers would push the women to get the abortions?? Do they get in trouble also??
I don't like abortion, but it's still a right. I believe if you're old enough to jump in the sack, you should be woman enough to handle having it.
If it was made illegal; what do you do about the baby fathers would push the women to get the abortions?? Do they get in trouble also??
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Originally Posted by seattledave
Originally Posted by SciontCya
No, Dave, LAWS are about technicalities, life is different.
I'm not going to get into that debate as it's way too technical, and takes away from the basic premise here.
Everyone has a different view on what life is.
No point arguing it.
I'm not going to get into that debate as it's way too technical, and takes away from the basic premise here.
Everyone has a different view on what life is.
No point arguing it.
life is life.
my cells are alive, they reproduce, they make food.
there is all the dna in them to reproduce a life.
this is a debate thread.
So, it's OK to abort any time?
If not, why Dave?
Does it in fact change at some point?
Tell me.
It's not B&W.
Don't make it out to be.
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Originally Posted by jsa3mm
If most American's were Buddhist abortion wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.
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If it was made illegal; what do you do about the baby fathers would push the women to get the abortions?? Do they get in trouble also??
Women (sans rape) are the ones controlling their bodies.
Men are dogs - would you risk a child with a dog?
No, pick your activities in a smart way.
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Originally Posted by SciontCya
Originally Posted by backseatchris
1. all life is a technicality. There are points where technically you are or are not alive. An organism that does not think for itself, feed itself, adapt to its own enviroment, reproduce, etc is considered by 99.99% of the scientific community to not be alaive.
In fact, when my brother was in an accident in the Marine Corps, he was pretty much that way for a year. He's 100% recovered now - 23 years later. I bet he's happy we didn't hold the pillow over his face.
Life is not all judged and based in science, my friend - and I was a researcher at UCLA for 13 years in the hard sciences.
Your stat above is not only wrong, but it's scary that you believe that.
Not to play it off as nothing, sorry if i made it seem that way. i do understand the heartbreak and pain along with it all (ive experienced it first witha relative).
But i come from a family of 2 researches from Johns Hopkins medical university (combinded 50+ years there), 3 doctors, and a lawyer,etc. Im extremely familiar with how this all works. I used to be anti-abortion when i was younger, but i now see that theres no harm, so no foul.
And yes, i would euthanize anyone in the conditions i said above...because not only are they brain dead, they are body dead as well... you can keep anything'alive' with the right amount of mechanics
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But not all women are that strong. Granted then they shoudn't be haven't sex, but what's the reality....I say keep it legal.
Abortion is not the problem, people are.
Abortion is not the problem, people are.
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Abortion is not the problem, people are.