Originally Posted by citizen01

Any logical thinking Atheist will tell you that God is a possibility, just like it is a possibility that invisible people run around amongst us, or there is an invisible fairy world in dave's closet.
Theists will tell you that there not being a god is not a possibility (if you say it is possible for there to not be a god you don't go to heaven so be careful).
So who is more closed minded?

(oh, by the way kahuna, this is an example of a question based in reality.)

Originally Posted by seattledave

people who believe in god make up insane criteria for non-believer to prove that is not based in reality.

Originally Posted by citizen01

Dude, he answered all your questions that had already been answered so obviously he isn't saying you can't coe into the conversation late.

In regards to Atheist being enlightened I already explained to you that while you "know" what happens after death/how the world was created we don't, so who would you consider more enlightened.
You still haven't taken me up on my offer to simply post a question you want answered that makes sense and isn't based in a fantasy "pretend" world.

Originally Posted by KahunaBlair

Well I'm just curious how I could ask you a question that had ANYTHING to do with God when in your reality he has no chance of existing?

Originally Posted by backseatchris

i think any person would be an idiot if god could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and they still didnt believe. is that too unreasonable?

Originally Posted by seattledave

there is only 1 reality. me and you cuold be inseparble for our entire lives, and obviously we'd share the same reality. We could observe the universe together through a telescope, and we could see people die and watch as their body withers away.

our reality shows no soul. yet you or the book you read make up one. but we'd still share the same reality, right?

our universe shows no sign of a supreme being, just lots of unanswered questions, yet you have decided to make up answers that are based off of 'evidence' that you can't actually show me. but we'd still share the same reality, right?

see, i don't add fantasy elements to our reality, but you have to answer questions we both have. I let those unanwsered questions stay unanswered until both me and you can see this reality's answer together.

Originally Posted by KahunaBlair

Actually I'm going to have to disagree here. Atheist believe that nothing happens after you die. Atheists believe that the world was created during the big bang and that life emerge from primordial soup. You, by definition, have your own explanation for how things began or will end. So who would you consider more enlightened? I think we're both pretty darn sure of things and by claiming that one of us is more "open minded" is pure crap.

Originally Posted by seattledave

i'm more open minded and enlightened than you or most here, but i attribute most of it to lsd opening my mind though.

Originally Posted by KahunaBlair

Wow....
So many things just became clear to me....
Wow.

Originally Posted by seattledave

what makes my hope of a belief when I was 7, different than you christians?

Originally Posted by seattledave

Actually it almost seems like mine has more of a chance of being true as christianity, right?

Originally Posted by seattledave

i do sorta agree. I am an atheist.
I believe in the big bang. I believe in evolution. but I take diagreement with
"you are in fact taking up the mantle that you know for a fact no god exists"
if I could prove that no god exists, then I would be able to prove something isn't. Something that can't be done by any scientist, christian or atheist.

I can prove through logical deduction the many of the ideas of genesis says is true is false. I can prove you, like most people, got your original idea of a god from people who believed in the bible, and i believe if the bible is false, and that then your idea of a god came from something that is false.

Agnostics don't know one way or another. I believe god is a fabric of some cavemens' imaginations, and it has transformed into the many religions we have today.

a deity is totally provable. especially one that has all these magical powers like you claim. we could simply wait for any of these miracles to happen and observe them, but you christians like to say "he won't actually do real miracles nowadays, just ones that could be natural occuring coincidences".

Christians keep their idea of a god from ever being able to be proven, by saying "god is magic, and magic can do anything it wants." again, you can only prove something is. you can't not prove something isn't. the burden of proof is on the claimant, not the person being told the story. If I say magic exists, I shouldn't say "i'm not proving it, you need to prove it can't happen" that doesn't prove anything besides me being a dumbazz.

people who believe in god make up insane criteria for non-believer to prove that is not based in reality.

Originally Posted by KahunaBlair

Well I'd have to agree with you on the fact that we could both be looking at the same thing and come away with different assumptions on what we saw.

Originally Posted by KahunaBlair

What I find interesting is that if there was a God (look once again I'm not going to say there is a god so you guys don't get offend, just trying to be nice here) and he was there next to us to tell us why the people were withering away and dying, would you still listen to him?

Originally Posted by KahunaBlair

I know you're going to try and slam me for that, but its a serious question. Even if one day you were to be shown proof that God exists, would you still follow him? It sounds to me like you already have your mind made up that this universe is a chaotic mess.
So if given an option would you chose to follow him? Just curious to see your response.

Originally Posted by KahunaBlair

Well I'm just curious how I could ask you a question that had ANYTHING to do with God when in your reality he has no chance of existing?
You're telling me that I can only ask a question if it meets the criteria of your world veiw....
That's pretty interesting.

Originally Posted by tCTaco

Double wow....Your more enlightened then most people here because you took LSD...

G...I guess Im a dumba$$ for never trying drugs like that.......Damn...I knew I should have smoked that crack back in the day....

But thanks for the new quote for my sig

Originally Posted by seattledave

See I've asked christians(even my parents) this:
If a jesus came down from heaven (physically, like we could watch him), and said "mormons are the correct faith", would you accept that? or wait for your version of jesus to appear?

Every christian, instead of answering the question, says "but I believe it's not true". but eventually they say "I'd wait for my jesus. because i know he's coming"
regardless that this guy flew down from the sky unaided by wings.

ok, most the bible was written like 1500 years ago, right?

well say jesus decided to take a break like 1000 years ago, and his buddy bob took his place for until say the year 2050. that could happen within the scope of the bible, right?

If you argue that god didn't write the bible, but an erroneous man did, then surely bob could be the fill in saviour, right?

see it's these ideas that the world can change, and we'll learn new things that actually make atheits more open minded. Your book is shut, right?

Originally Posted by KahunaBlair

An absolute idiot. But if that were the case then how would that solve anything? If God came down and smacked people in the backs of there heads, how would that make him better then any despot or ruler that would kill the people in his country for not believing the same thing he does.

Originally Posted by seattledave

that really just goes to show how ignorant you are, comparing crack to lsd.

Originally Posted by tCTaco

Yes Im ignorant, cause Im comparing one mind altering drug to another

Originally Posted by krustytheclown

You gotta understand though, An Evolutionist dosen't need to have all the answers and everything is ok. But if a Creationist dosent have all the answers, then that proves that we are wrong.

Originally Posted by seattledave

yes you are. that's like saying heroin and tobacco are the same thing. or pcp and alcohol.

all are mind altering.