I hear what you are saying, but I spend more time in the D&S forum than my own.

1. Because the scene in my region is lame and non-existant

2. Because I have met, and like a lot of people in the D&S region.

 

Mark, I feel as though you are being a too hard on yourself about the meet. I had a great time. I got a Football Jersey, cause I didnt want to be the guy that showed wearing the Basketball Jersey. My wife over heard someone say, " I am suprised Crispyxb is wearing a Basketball Jersey". But I enjoyed myself, I meet a guy earlier in the week, and told him to drop by and see what Scionetics is all about, and he did. He couldnt stop thanking me for following him into a parking lot to tell him about it. I didnt know that wearing a jersey meant getting into a separate drawing. I understood the can food drawing which was a very cool deal. I totally spaced on bringing any. I think the meet was good, and I am sure that most peps will agree. I will always come to a Camelback meet. No matter what! I enjoy them. Thanks for the good time.

 

I know I have fun, I will continue to have fun and hope that everything I have done is in support of the people who make this community. I don’t silicate to politics and try to avoid issues that offer no value to the overall community. I do know that I have sometimes been caught up in one-on-one conversations about people/issues, I now see that this is not setting a good example or solving the problem if it really is one. That behavior will change.

I have always strived for the better of the community that we all have. I have always tried to lead by example and do what is right. I have always enjoyed all the people that are in the community, lots of personalities and tons of laughs. We all have faults and sometimes we let others down. I would like to offer this.

I suspect that during the 2 years with the group I may have acted badly towards others, to those that may have seen this side of me please accept my sincerest apology, it is not in my nature and not the normal. I value people’s opinion of me and hope that if I have offended anyone that my sincerest apology strikes true.

I suspect that I may have seemed uninterested/impressed in others projects, mods or what may have been a significant achievement to them. Certainly not my intention and if this has happened please accept my apology.

Am I part of a click, unapproachable, to big for my britches, can’t be bothered with others or noobies, couldn’t be farther from the truth, without them they do not bring fresh ideas, enthusiasm and support to the group.

Shows, though I may enter a contest for a trophy, if I do not win I am OK with this. I am there for support of the event and the group that has come to the event.

Local shops and community members making it part of there business. I am very handy and do most of the work myself. I do know when I am out of my element, I seek out the support of the community that is located nearest me or that I have always supported. If I have never asked to have you work on my car, it has no reflection on the business, workmanship or personalities. If I have come across this way it was not intended.

I think that just about covers it for me, I do enjoy the community and all that participate with in it. I know I am not perfect, pleaseeeeeeeee, I hope that this will clear the air.

Have a good one and see you around!!

 

Damn, Koolaid was good people, were has he been? He was the best helper out there at the garage day. Welcome at my house anytime!

People just need to sit back and relax. This kind of stuff happens to everyone as we are friends and with friends always comes a little drama here and there. All good. As long as we keep smiling and keep trying all is good.

 

You're right on the relaxing thing but I'm not EVER letting go of the KoolAid issue. That person sucks and they owe him a PUBLIC apology. Once that's done they don't suck any longer.

We all know about the 6 degrees of separation right? It works for trouble too. If I am involved in stirring negative things up often enough then people will start to feel differently toward me, even if they don't consciously make the connection between me and my deeds.

 

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What?

Anyways... I think that the un-club has really strayed from where and what it was supposed to be. Too much drama for me.


First off, let me start by saying that i truly like and admire everyone in the group. Each of you has their own personality and conflicts are bound to happen . Remember its not an issue of when a problem happens its what you do when confronted with the problem.


I'm usually a pretty happy guy but recently its been very hard to be a happy guy because the group is getting diluted with senseless anger and childish fights.

Everyone in this group needs to set aside their differences no matter what "side" of a problem they are on and start acting like adults. Talk your problems out with the other side.
AND PLEASE if you have a problem with some one don't take it up on the forums its not the place for arguments.

Remember, whatever u do or write on the forums effects the entire un-club.


Im not gonna sit here and pretend my 19 year old A$$ knows everything and that I am perfect.
I have had small issues with some members in the past BUT! I have tired to resolve those issues in a professional manner.

Its getting to the point where I am almost ready to leave the forums for good much like others have done... I just don't have the time or patience to deal with issues all the time

 

What was the koolaid thing that happened. Someone pm me please.

 

Stick with us BJ, it's gonna get better. We just need to drag the BS out into the light of day so everyone can get a whiff and see what it is that's causing the place to stink a little.

It's all too much drama for everyone, me included. But it's something worth holding on to and working through a bad spot to make better.

Everyone see the beer commercials with the "man laws"? We need "Un-Laws"

I propose that the first "Un-Law" be: No more secret _____ing.

Do I have a second on that? Can I get an Amen?

 

I'll drink to that, I mean second that!

 

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Amen Brotha!

 

i second that...don't go bj!! we just need the people that r starting the trouble to step up. we have lost to many good people already!! so the real question is who is the person that has the issue?

 

Great! Now... Do we need any other "Un-Laws"?

 

As the once famous, beaten philosopher in LA said "Can't we all just get along"

 

Firstly, let me say how proud I am to be affiliated with the un-club. My first meet was at Avondale Scion in July of '05 (and it was hot!!). I met so many great people that night. I had so much fun that night that I became a regular. I came back to work the next week and showed anyone who would look all of the pics of the cool modded cars that were out there. My next trip was to Sedona and that was even more fun (even though I was accused of driving under the influence - my car was not even there!). I attended many more events and became a regular. I made so many friends and connections through our group. I did choose "Just Peachy" because it was not any of you that made me lessen my involvement, it was my personal life that changed. I will still pop up at a few events (with or without a Scion). At work, I am the one that is known as the one in the Scion club (yeah, yeah, UN-club!) and I am proud of it! I have seen some of the drama (and been involved a few times) and I don't care for it, so all y'all just knock it off. As for those who have chosen to stop participating because of the drama, come back! Don't let them win. You had fun with us once before, you'll have fun again.

As far as Koolaid is concerned, I hope that you get an apology. I have no idea what happened, but it sounds rediculous.

Mark - thank you for being the glue that holds all of us together. Scionetics is an amazing tool that D & S is lucky to have.

I cannot wait to have another big event like the Poker Run (ahem, Chad) or the Holiday Party/Light Cruise/Food Drive like we did last year. I am bummed I am missing the Havasu trip!!!

Sorry for the blabber. The bottom line is that it's still fun, as long as you are in it for the right reason.

Thanks Randy for another though-evoking post. Now get back under that Scion!!

 

what happened with koolaid? he was great I haven't seen him around.

as for the un-laws, I think we need one for 'you need to respect others mods and decisions'

 

Wow, i didnt think this topic would get up to 5 pages so fast.
I have had many people tell me over the last few months that its just not fun anymore. Or its turning into a game of who can spend the most money. Many of them have posted in this topic, so please dont think they are hiding behind me. I just wanted to throw this out there and see what everyone else thought.

About the only issue that I have is the he said/she said BS. Whether its a car club, book club or knitting circle, there will always be atlest one a-hole who likes to stir up trouble. But thats life.


Mark, this topic has nothing to do with whatever happened at Camelback over the weekend.

Big J, I seriously dont have a problem with you. You are very talented, and have built some amazing vehicles. You are right, business is business. We both have to feed our families, and we both do that by doing what we love, Building custom cars.

 

Its stopped being fun a while ago....But when it was fun it was a blast... in the beginning there was definitely a more welcoming and friendly community. Maybe it was just because it was a smaller group and it was easier to get to know each other and actually become friends. But mostly I think it was because we all looked at each other as peers and shared a common respect for each other resulting in an actual close knit community. For me there wasn’t a specific point when things went south it was more of a gradual deterioration of the whole thing. Some people still refer to this as a community. But its not a community anymore. In reality the only thing that ties this “community” together is a common interest in a brand of a car and that’s it. The respect and friendliness are long gone and so is the community. Now its just a bunch of a$$holes trying to figure out who’s got bigger *****. I’m glad that I got out when I did. My xB is long gone but I have a few friendships that are still around and that makes it all worth it.

 

I second that motion.

I also suggest we call these the Un-Club Laws.

 

I know Randy.... Like I said, for me, it was the timing. My main point is that I am not taking any crap from any kiddies any more. Whether it's directed at me or another, if I see a bug crawling around the community, I intend to squash it. I hope others will take the same approach and let's all take the fun out of being an a-hole.

We all have a great thing going, if we don't fudge it up.

 

So not that I can really talk because I haven't really been around for car shows much, but this is crazy. I remember a year and a half ago when I too went to my first meet at the pavillions, I was so excited. Everyone was and still is friendly, but the whole attitude has changed. I remember looking forward to meeting up every saturday just so that 20+ Scions can drive down the road together and have fun. You all know, those of you who did it, you enjoyed watching people faces as we drove by them. It was like a little taste of what Dustin used to say, "Everone wants to be you", and yeah, of course with us driving around the valley every sat night we were advertising our cars. That is why, Scion has blown up in the last year and why we were able to have such an awsome scion tent at HIN, and why Scion pays for a lot of free things. It does suck that there are those people who don't show up unless there is something in it for them, like the Movie meet, but it happens. I don't go every weekend because, one I'm on my own now and trying to have fun with friends, but mainly because I hate when we just meet up at a place and sit there. I miss the days when we would cruise around and then park and have fun. I try to do my best to make it out to meets, and unfortunately now that my car has been broken into it will be kinda hard, but I love that when I do show up, everyone is always welcoming me with open arms. I love my car, I love scion, and I love all the new friends I have made since buying my car. Sure people may copy you and it's not like it used to be with the whole origionality, but if you feel bothered that people start to copy you, take it as envy. That means you did something good. That's why I enjoyed the Converse box. It's been so long since someone has come up with something creative. But just keep this in mind, always have fun. That's the best life lesson I have learned. If things ____ you off or bring you down just learn how to make it fun.