O yeah;)

 

Everyone seems to be forgetting this.

Can you get the mustang with the track package for the same price as the fr-s? No.

Also, doesn't the "track package" come with a 3.31 rear end, which would kill the "amazing mileage" of the mustang? The amount of modifications to the mustang were fairly significant (swaybars, ultra high performance summer tires, springs, new rear end, different stability contol system, high performance brake pads, etc), especially for people to continue to call it a "stock" mustang.

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/201...#page=Feature7

Anyway, this thread is ridiculous, and I am getting waaaay to involved in an internet slap-fest.

People of scion life, enjoy your Fr-s's and your mustangs! I'm out of this thread!

 

WORD....

 

Look, If you don't like the Scion FRS/ Subaru BRZ based on it's straight-line performance, then guess what, this car was by no means designed with you in mind. The car was built to be lightweight balanced weekend warrior race car. It is light balanced and nimble. it was designed with the notion of being able to fit a roll cage in it as easily as possible, and the rear seats and trunk were literally meant to be able to fit a second set of racing wheels and tires, and a jack so you can drive it to the track, swap sets and get racing.

I was worried about the success of this car until I test drove it. it handles sublimingly. I immediately wanted it. but I have a car note now, and I still have a my tC that will leave it for dead with the turbo, and probably give it a run for the money with it's suspension.

maybe in a few years I'll pick up a new one, or maybe wait for the subaru version to have a turbocharged option. but you need to understand, the Scion FRS was purpose engineered to be a surgical track machine. It is by no means meant to be a muscle car, dragster and family car that can do it all in one chasis.

Also, I'm 6'3", 210, I fit in the car perfectly fine.

 

It's like debating politics (except this is a little more concrete). People have already made up their minds for whatever reason and can't be talked out of it. They want what they want out of all the wrong things.

off topic but man, being back on here and seeing names brings back memories. I remember seeing your name a lot, drax.

 

You are correct, you cannot get it for the same price...it is actually cheaper.

2012 V6, 6sp, Track(V6 perf package) - $22,745 after $1500 rebate:
http://www.edmunds.com/ford/mustang/...tyle=101355112

2013 V6, 6sp, Track(V6 perf package) - $23,589 after $500 rebate:
http://www.edmunds.com/ford/mustang/...tyle=101416129

Even without the rebates it's still cheaper...but it's still a Mustang and everyone and their mother still has one.

 

^I like how the rebates are thrown in on this, and how long are those rebate offers for?

 

Don't know and don't care(I'm not buying a Mustang). edit: July 2, 2012 rebates expire. I'm sure they'll have more when those are gone. American cars always do. Ever seen a Honda/Toyota rebate?

However, do the math...even without the rebates it is still cheaper than a stock FR-S with zero options by nearly $1000.

Now then, even if you remove the market adjusted(lowered, non MSRP) price...it's STILL CHEAPER!.

2013 - $24,990
2012 - $25,100 (oops, the older 2012 actually retails $100 more)...but who the hell pays sticker price on anything other than Scion and their Impure Pricing bull____?
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So there it is. The V6 Mustang with Track package is either identically priced, or upto and including $1000 cheaper making it the better bang-for-the-buck...but it's still a Mustang and still only a V6. No sale.

 

Yeah, but my point is, I could complain that the Ford F-150 SVT Raptor is slow, gets terrible gas mileage and has terrible on road handling, and is impossible to park in the city, but thats because it wasn't designed to excel at any of those things, it was designed to excel being a factory off-road monster.

 

Ok, I came back in, lol.

I thought that they said it was the PREMIUM version, which is actually 26k without the track/sport/whatever package.


Just wanted to throw this in there...the mustang didn't get a podium finish, even though it "went, stopped and turned" faster than all the others with it's track package...due to it's crummy chassis.

http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/co...son/index.html

I still want to see how a similarly equipped frs (compared to the mustang track package : short rear end, ultra high performance summer only tires, aggressie brake pads, sway bars, springs, etc) compares to the mustang track package on the track!

No, I don't want to see the comparison to talk about price. I just want to see what happens!

 

I don't know about the rest of you but the performance data being published for the BRZ and FRS is driving me crazy! Considering the power to weight ratio they should both do 0-60 in the mid-high 6 second range and run the 1/4 mile in the high 14's BUT... I've seen the following figures published for the BRZ and FRS:

0-60 with and w/o 1 ft roll out (worth -0.2-0.3 secs)

5.9, 6.2, 6.3, 6.4, 6.7. 7.0. 7.3, 7.5 and 8.3 seconds

1/4 mile ETs vary almost as much:

14.3, 14.4, 14.8, 14.9 and 15.3 seconds

The FA20 has been dyno tested and made 173whp on a Dynapack, 154whp on a Mustang so it's pretty clear that Toybaru isn't following VW's lead and under-rating the BHP. There is no reason to believe that the FA20 makes any more than 200BHP on a good day.

It's normal to see a spread of a few tenths between the test results from different sources but these are ridiculous. Does anyone know wtf is going on here?

 

^Easy answer, driver mod. That's why you see the time variations all over the board. Also location can factor into it, along with other variables.

 

Ford loaned MotorTrend a Premium package Mustang to test but all the Premium package adds is extra weight from power seats and other ammenities not available on the FRS or BRZ. The simple fact is that a FRS/BRZ comparable Mustang V6 costs less. Add the $2000 track pack and the Stang costs about the same as the base FRS.

I think you've been listening to Rhythmnstroker too much... The Mustang has a very good chassis, albeit not as light and nimble as the FRS/BRZ. Adding sway bars, strut braces, larger wheels and sticky rubber is not what the FRS/BRZ need to compete with the lowly V6 "secretary version" of the Mustang. They need more power, plain and simple. Then and only then will they truly benefit from a similar "track package".

IMO a lot of people are confused by these FRS/BRZ comparisons to neutered performance cars and Hyundais. The BRZ/FRS are far from fast cars no matter where you drive them. They are supposed to be fun cars to drive at the relatively low limits allowed by their modest power and grip. If you want to go fast, unfortunately it costs more.

 

C'mon man... 2.4 sec variance in 0-60??? On my worst run I'm only 0.5 sec slower than my best run. I haven't seen nearly as much variance with other cars nor have I seen many other cars running 0.5 seconds faster than mathematically probable given their power to weight.

IMO the FRS/BRZ should be considered as high 6 second 0-60 and high 14 second 1/4 mile cars, PERIOD. There really is no reason to believe that they could go any faster without adding power or losing weight.

I'd love to be proven wrong though! I really want a FRS but not if it can't at least keep up with my parent's Camry.

 

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I'm afraid the FRS needs a lot more than an intercooler and some pipes. I'm really hoping that another 25whp can be coaxed out of it with headers, full exhaust, intake and ECU re-tune. I'm not very hopeful about FI with 12.5:1 pistons.

I think you're on to something. To be fanboy-fair, if you disable 2 of the Mustang's cylinders and remove the turbo from the Genesis, the FRS would eat them for lunch...

 

12.5:1 with turbo would be good on E85

 

Test drove a manual FR-S today and was greatly greatly disappointed in performance. Was going to buy one today as a garage queen and I drove it and needless to say I'm probably going to the Nissan dealership or Honda dealer tomorrow.

 

Honda dealer? I understand Nissan packs some punch but what besides a V6 accord can you really consider sporty?

 

Uhhhh... HONDA S2000