boosted tc compared to other current, OEM cars
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Eh, I don't think like you guys do (marcelo and rhythm at least). I think all I really want is a good transmission, powerful engine and sporty chassis and suspension that I can enjoy as a DD and autox on rare occasions.
It actually sounds insane to me to pour money over and over into to the tc because it never satisfies. And I don't have an ego that is worried about whether someone beats me or not in a race, especially since I have no interest in dragging on a track or the street. A car doesn't mean THAT much to me. But its your car, although I think there is an 'in too deep' factor.
My gut feeling was along the lines of what Ecko wrote, I think it makes most sense for me to get a wrx or something like it.
It actually sounds insane to me to pour money over and over into to the tc because it never satisfies. And I don't have an ego that is worried about whether someone beats me or not in a race, especially since I have no interest in dragging on a track or the street. A car doesn't mean THAT much to me. But its your car, although I think there is an 'in too deep' factor.
My gut feeling was along the lines of what Ecko wrote, I think it makes most sense for me to get a wrx or something like it.
With all do respect then (don't take offense), but I think you perhaps choose an improper thread title. It's a bit misleading as it's titled "Boosted" tC. An person who goes out of their way to turbocharge a factory N/A vehicle I would deem to be a little more serious about modding their car than what you appear to be. To boost your car would take dedication, and it does not appear you have that drive. So, a factory car that's boosted or one with performance orientation built in is probably your best route for your ease of mind and getting that little bit of rush you might want.
Modding cars is like a drug, so if you aren't looking to go down that path then don't.
My faults in this debate is that I'm building a race car, which clearly is not what you are into. So, I am heavily influenced in the Gug-Ho area so take my advice at face value. Just hope it has enlightened you somewhat on what drives us.
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Ahh....the age old statement of Buying a car that's already faster from the start. To that I say...."What car would you be happy with leaving 100% bone stock?" For me, that car does not exist. For many enthusiast they will inevitably reduce the reliability of their vehicle in the pursuit of that Speed, niche to go faster, stop harder, turn sharper, corner faster, reduce weight...etc.
If you want a Track car, it does not matter what platform it is, you will build it beyond stock. If you want just a fast street car, then at what point will you be satisfied in how fast you can go on the streets?
Therein lies the dilemma...
However...one adage I would solely frown upon is that of the Genesis Coupe. Car is weak, and fails at 240whp despite the rep that it's boosted from the factory.
Example:
http://www.9thgencorolla.com/forum//...d.php?t=110224
If you want a Track car, it does not matter what platform it is, you will build it beyond stock. If you want just a fast street car, then at what point will you be satisfied in how fast you can go on the streets?
Therein lies the dilemma...
However...one adage I would solely frown upon is that of the Genesis Coupe. Car is weak, and fails at 240whp despite the rep that it's boosted from the factory.
Example:
http://www.9thgencorolla.com/forum//...d.php?t=110224
The OP specifically stated he wanted to have a DD, that means there is a sacrifice to be had. There is nothing wrong with being a little tuner, throwing on some coils, some exterior mods, etc. All things that can be done that will help the overall look and feel of the car. When you get into boosting, building motors, internals, etc. all are activities that one should not do to the DD for time and reliability sake.
Everyone gets so caught up in whp, that isn't the primary concern of a DD, it's safe reliable power. Even modded cars are never adequate for their drivers. From a strictly budgetary point of view, it makes sense to get what you want from the factory rather than voiding a warranty to add unreliable power and the headaches associated with it.
The former tC owners I mentioned both had boosted tC's, both made nearly 300hp and both happier with their decision to sell their tC's and get the Gen Coupe and WRX, respectively, and while both may make less power with their new cars than their tC, they both are happier with their new cars than their tC's and don't regret the choice in the least bit.
One may agree to disagree but my next car won't be one that i'm slapping a turbo on or other ridiculous things, if that's a project car, that's fine but as my DD, absolutely not.
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boosted tc compared to other current, OEM cars
I'm not gonna keep going with this thread. Everyone has there own decision and there own money to buy as they please. I stated my opinion and what I have and will do. Op GL with whatever you choose as long as your satisfied with your pick kudos to you man!
And Travis not everyone are enthusiast like us. Were just the boost junkies lol. Let me know what's up with your car when you start modding the engine.
And Travis not everyone are enthusiast like us. Were just the boost junkies lol. Let me know what's up with your car when you start modding the engine.
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It isn't an old age statement it's practicality.
The OP specifically stated he wanted to have a DD, that means there is a sacrifice to be had. There is nothing wrong with being a little tuner, throwing on some coils, some exterior mods, etc. All things that can be done that will help the overall look and feel of the car. When you get into boosting, building motors, internals, etc. all are activities that one should not do to the DD for time and reliability sake.
Everyone gets so caught up in whp, that isn't the primary concern of a DD, it's safe reliable power. Even modded cars are never adequate for their drivers. From a strictly budgetary point of view, it makes sense to get what you want from the factory rather than voiding a warranty to add unreliable power and the headaches associated with it.
The former tC owners I mentioned both had boosted tC's, both made nearly 300hp and both happier with their decision to sell their tC's and get the Gen Coupe and WRX, respectively, and while both may make less power with their new cars than their tC, they both are happier with their new cars than their tC's and don't regret the choice in the least bit.
One may agree to disagree but my next car won't be one that i'm slapping a turbo on or other ridiculous things, if that's a project car, that's fine but as my DD, absolutely not.
The OP specifically stated he wanted to have a DD, that means there is a sacrifice to be had. There is nothing wrong with being a little tuner, throwing on some coils, some exterior mods, etc. All things that can be done that will help the overall look and feel of the car. When you get into boosting, building motors, internals, etc. all are activities that one should not do to the DD for time and reliability sake.
Everyone gets so caught up in whp, that isn't the primary concern of a DD, it's safe reliable power. Even modded cars are never adequate for their drivers. From a strictly budgetary point of view, it makes sense to get what you want from the factory rather than voiding a warranty to add unreliable power and the headaches associated with it.
The former tC owners I mentioned both had boosted tC's, both made nearly 300hp and both happier with their decision to sell their tC's and get the Gen Coupe and WRX, respectively, and while both may make less power with their new cars than their tC, they both are happier with their new cars than their tC's and don't regret the choice in the least bit.
One may agree to disagree but my next car won't be one that i'm slapping a turbo on or other ridiculous things, if that's a project car, that's fine but as my DD, absolutely not.
What's the title of this thread again? Need I say more. And I don't understand your message, are You saying/implying a turbo tC can't be a daily driver? Hmmm....wonder what one calls mine that I drive everyday for the past 3 some odd years. If not a daily driver then what is it?
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I'm not gonna keep going with this thread. Everyone has there own decision and there own money to buy as they please. I stated my opinion and what I have and will do. Op GL with whatever you choose as long as your satisfied with your pick kudos to you man!
And Travis not everyone are enthusiast like us. Were just the boost junkies lol. Let me know what's up with your car when you start modding the engine.
And Travis not everyone are enthusiast like us. Were just the boost junkies lol. Let me know what's up with your car when you start modding the engine.
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What's the title of this thread again? Need I say more. And I don't understand your message, are You saying/implying a turbo tC can't be a daily driver? Hmmm....wonder what one calls mine that I drive everyday for the past 3 some odd years. If not a daily driver then what is it?
A boosted tC isn't what someone should look for in a reliable vehicle, its a project car like yours has become.
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Shooting for August. Turbo Funds are at about 15%.
Boosted the tC, raced it weekly and drove it every day for a little over 3 years. Not currently boosted because I sold the turbo kit to make room for the PTuning turbo kit.
I've never had engine troubles when it came to boost. Never had drivetrain troubles unless I abused it at the track and broke something. When I race at the track, I go for broke, no baby footing it. Daily Driving it to the grocery store isn't exactly going to cause you problems any time soon...lol. My idea of DD is driving like any other normal individual on the street despite the 300+whp the car is pushing.
You mean your boosted tC that is currently not boosted that you drove for 3 years...right. I'm implying that as a DD a boosted tC does not cut the mustard when it comes to reliability, its that simple. The OP wants a DD which by any standard needs to be reliable, it doesn't take but a peek into the F/I section of SL to see there are few that have accomplished that task well while being completely stock and making the type of power as the cars the OP mentioned.
A boosted tC isn't what someone should look for in a reliable vehicle, its a project car like yours has become.
A boosted tC isn't what someone should look for in a reliable vehicle, its a project car like yours has become.
Boosted the tC, raced it weekly and drove it every day for a little over 3 years. Not currently boosted because I sold the turbo kit to make room for the PTuning turbo kit.
I've never had engine troubles when it came to boost. Never had drivetrain troubles unless I abused it at the track and broke something. When I race at the track, I go for broke, no baby footing it. Daily Driving it to the grocery store isn't exactly going to cause you problems any time soon...lol. My idea of DD is driving like any other normal individual on the street despite the 300+whp the car is pushing.
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The former tC owners I mentioned both had boosted tC's, both made nearly 300hp and both happier with their decision to sell their tC's and get the Gen Coupe and WRX, respectively, and while both may make less power with their new cars than their tC, they both are happier with their new cars than their tC's and don't regret the choice in the least bit.
Going from a ~300whp tC to a bone stock WRX, I can easily say that I'll never go down the path I did for the tC ever again, at least, not for a DD. My tC ran flawlessly for an entire year, for being what it was. I never had a problem with the tune, never had any problems with parts, never had detonation, etc etc. With that said, I never could get the "don't blow up on me now" thought out of my head when I drove the car. Despite getting tuned by PTuning, despite going the extra mile while doing the install, despite doing all the research I did, I always felt like the car was a ticking time bomb. Obviously, it didn't blow up, but that still didn't prevent me from hoping it would get me home. Hell, one of the main reasons I bought that 1995 Honda Accord, was because I was afraid that my tC would implode.
After I test drove the WRX and got used to it, I simply could not go back to the tC. Was my tC faster than my WRX? In some cases, yes. But at what cost? The driveability in the tC sucked ___. Everything was so stiff. The short throw, the springs, the clutch, the motor mounts, the ride, the seats, the lower profile tires. Despite making the car perform better, it all ruins the car. I was so used to it when I had the tC, but only because I didn't know any better. Now that I have the WRX, I'll never go back down that route. The WRX shifter is smoother and more precise, all while being lightweight and effortless. The clutch is smooth and light, all while being able to support ~300whp. The ride is smooth (compared to the tC), and going over railroad tracks doesn't make the car sound like it's going through a trash compactor. Even having something quieter is so much nicer. I can accelerate as fast as I want without having everyone within a 30 mile radius look at me. I can get in the car, start it up and drive it away, knowing it's doing exactly what it was engineered to do. I no longer have that "omfg don't blow up" thought in the back of my head. The gearing is amazing, 40MPH in first gear, 75MPH @ 3k RPM in 5th...It's just so much better. And the traction...oh god...the traction...Being able to use the entire powerband in any gear, in any weather conditions...It's wonderful. I no longer have to hope the tires (tire, in the case of the 1-wheel drive tC) won't break loose if I hit the pedal too hard in second gear.
To put things simply, the tC left such a bad taste in my mouth, that it's making me hesitate modifying it. I'm enjoying the smooth ride, the smooth power, etc so much, that I don't want to ruin the car by modifying it. Did I enjoy the tC when I had it? Yes, I won't deny that. Do I enjoy the stock WRX more than I enjoyed the modded tC? Omfg yes, it's not even a close comparison.
If I was to go down that route again, it would be with a mid 90's Miata, gutted, caged, and boosted. Nothing says 'owned' like losing to an older Miata.
With all that said, if you can deal with RWD all year round and don't need/want back seats, you'd be dumber than a bag of bricks if you boosted the tC over buying a 2011 Mustang GT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qc4Xb7G1ck
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[quote=CarbonXe;3568696]Being one of those people, I feel I should chime in.
Going from a ~300whp tC to a bone stock WRX, I can easily say that I'll never go down the path I did for the tC ever again, at least, not for a DD. My tC ran flawlessly for an entire year, for being what it was. I never had a problem with the tune, never had any problems with parts, never had detonation, etc etc. With that said, I never could get the "don't blow up on me now" thought out of my head when I drove the car. Despite getting tuned by PTuning, despite going the extra mile while doing the install, despite doing all the research I did, I always felt like the car was a ticking time bomb. Obviously, it didn't blow up, but that still didn't prevent me from hoping it would get me home. Hell, one of the main reasons I bought that 1995 Honda Accord, was because I was afraid that my tC would implode.
I agree everytime I go into boost I feel like it a ticking time bomb which sucks. Boost is fun but at the same time I still worry about when the engine might go. But boost is never safe, and by boosting your taking a chance no matter what.
Going from a ~300whp tC to a bone stock WRX, I can easily say that I'll never go down the path I did for the tC ever again, at least, not for a DD. My tC ran flawlessly for an entire year, for being what it was. I never had a problem with the tune, never had any problems with parts, never had detonation, etc etc. With that said, I never could get the "don't blow up on me now" thought out of my head when I drove the car. Despite getting tuned by PTuning, despite going the extra mile while doing the install, despite doing all the research I did, I always felt like the car was a ticking time bomb. Obviously, it didn't blow up, but that still didn't prevent me from hoping it would get me home. Hell, one of the main reasons I bought that 1995 Honda Accord, was because I was afraid that my tC would implode.
I agree everytime I go into boost I feel like it a ticking time bomb which sucks. Boost is fun but at the same time I still worry about when the engine might go. But boost is never safe, and by boosting your taking a chance no matter what.
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With all that said, if you can deal with RWD all year round and don't need/want back seats, you'd be dumber than a bag of bricks if you boosted the tC over buying a 2011 Mustang GT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qc4Xb7G1ck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qc4Xb7G1ck
dont believe everything you hear on the interwebz. members of my local racing forum have a very very hard time believing that a pair of slicks would pick up 10 mph. however, if you want people to think you are inbred, and have a small *****, then the mustang is the way to go.
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Being one of those people, I feel I should chime in.
Going from a ~300whp tC to a bone stock WRX, I can easily say that I'll never go down the path I did for the tC ever again, at least, not for a DD. My tC ran flawlessly for an entire year, for being what it was. I never had a problem with the tune, never had any problems with parts, never had detonation, etc etc. With that said, I never could get the "don't blow up on me now" thought out of my head when I drove the car. Despite getting tuned by PTuning, despite going the extra mile while doing the install, despite doing all the research I did, I always felt like the car was a ticking time bomb. Obviously, it didn't blow up, but that still didn't prevent me from hoping it would get me home. Hell, one of the main reasons I bought that 1995 Honda Accord, was because I was afraid that my tC would implode.
After I test drove the WRX and got used to it, I simply could not go back to the tC. Was my tC faster than my WRX? In some cases, yes. But at what cost? The driveability in the tC sucked ___. Everything was so stiff. The short throw, the springs, the clutch, the motor mounts, the ride, the seats, the lower profile tires. Despite making the car perform better, it all ruins the car. I was so used to it when I had the tC, but only because I didn't know any better. Now that I have the WRX, I'll never go back down that route. The WRX shifter is smoother and more precise, all while being lightweight and effortless. The clutch is smooth and light, all while being able to support ~300whp. The ride is smooth (compared to the tC), and going over railroad tracks doesn't make the car sound like it's going through a trash compactor. Even having something quieter is so much nicer. I can accelerate as fast as I want without having everyone within a 30 mile radius look at me. I can get in the car, start it up and drive it away, knowing it's doing exactly what it was engineered to do. I no longer have that "omfg don't blow up" thought in the back of my head. The gearing is amazing, 40MPH in first gear, 75MPH @ 3k RPM in 5th...It's just so much better. And the traction...oh god...the traction...Being able to use the entire powerband in any gear, in any weather conditions...It's wonderful. I no longer have to hope the tires (tire, in the case of the 1-wheel drive tC) won't break loose if I hit the pedal too hard in second gear.
To put things simply, the tC left such a bad taste in my mouth, that it's making me hesitate modifying it. I'm enjoying the smooth ride, the smooth power, etc so much, that I don't want to ruin the car by modifying it. Did I enjoy the tC when I had it? Yes, I won't deny that. Do I enjoy the stock WRX more than I enjoyed the modded tC? Omfg yes, it's not even a close comparison.
If I was to go down that route again, it would be with a mid 90's Miata, gutted, caged, and boosted. Nothing says 'owned' like losing to an older Miata.
With all that said, if you can deal with RWD all year round and don't need/want back seats, you'd be dumber than a bag of bricks if you boosted the tC over buying a 2011 Mustang GT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qc4Xb7G1ck
Going from a ~300whp tC to a bone stock WRX, I can easily say that I'll never go down the path I did for the tC ever again, at least, not for a DD. My tC ran flawlessly for an entire year, for being what it was. I never had a problem with the tune, never had any problems with parts, never had detonation, etc etc. With that said, I never could get the "don't blow up on me now" thought out of my head when I drove the car. Despite getting tuned by PTuning, despite going the extra mile while doing the install, despite doing all the research I did, I always felt like the car was a ticking time bomb. Obviously, it didn't blow up, but that still didn't prevent me from hoping it would get me home. Hell, one of the main reasons I bought that 1995 Honda Accord, was because I was afraid that my tC would implode.
After I test drove the WRX and got used to it, I simply could not go back to the tC. Was my tC faster than my WRX? In some cases, yes. But at what cost? The driveability in the tC sucked ___. Everything was so stiff. The short throw, the springs, the clutch, the motor mounts, the ride, the seats, the lower profile tires. Despite making the car perform better, it all ruins the car. I was so used to it when I had the tC, but only because I didn't know any better. Now that I have the WRX, I'll never go back down that route. The WRX shifter is smoother and more precise, all while being lightweight and effortless. The clutch is smooth and light, all while being able to support ~300whp. The ride is smooth (compared to the tC), and going over railroad tracks doesn't make the car sound like it's going through a trash compactor. Even having something quieter is so much nicer. I can accelerate as fast as I want without having everyone within a 30 mile radius look at me. I can get in the car, start it up and drive it away, knowing it's doing exactly what it was engineered to do. I no longer have that "omfg don't blow up" thought in the back of my head. The gearing is amazing, 40MPH in first gear, 75MPH @ 3k RPM in 5th...It's just so much better. And the traction...oh god...the traction...Being able to use the entire powerband in any gear, in any weather conditions...It's wonderful. I no longer have to hope the tires (tire, in the case of the 1-wheel drive tC) won't break loose if I hit the pedal too hard in second gear.
To put things simply, the tC left such a bad taste in my mouth, that it's making me hesitate modifying it. I'm enjoying the smooth ride, the smooth power, etc so much, that I don't want to ruin the car by modifying it. Did I enjoy the tC when I had it? Yes, I won't deny that. Do I enjoy the stock WRX more than I enjoyed the modded tC? Omfg yes, it's not even a close comparison.
If I was to go down that route again, it would be with a mid 90's Miata, gutted, caged, and boosted. Nothing says 'owned' like losing to an older Miata.
With all that said, if you can deal with RWD all year round and don't need/want back seats, you'd be dumber than a bag of bricks if you boosted the tC over buying a 2011 Mustang GT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qc4Xb7G1ck
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the new 5.0 mustang with a stick runs a whopping 14.8 here at altitude little sad if you ask me one guy had one with some mods was nocking on a 14.00 lol it will have a huge aftermarket though ___ all cars like that do but its not as fast as you would think the v6 was running about a 15.5
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and knocking the new genesis for the wrong reasons i beleive the build quality on the new hyundai is out of this world for its value shut the door sounds solid interior very nice i want a genesis buddie is evo4b11 swaping his with a gt35 going to be a fun time hoping for about 450 whp and a whole lot of fun
I'm not either.. but honestly it has a good weight when judging/reviewing a street car.. it says a lot about the quality and how good the car was built.. the car doesnt have to be uncomfortable to be fast.. when it comes to modifying for performance, often those would sacrifice comfort.
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I obviously don't care about comfort either, otherwise I wouldn't want to re-valve my dampners so I can run 600f/900r springs. BUT when I want something relaxing, I just jump in the FX35.
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Driveable, Comfortable, Reliable > Power for DD any day.
Some will always want to be die-hard racers and will make the sacrifices to do so, others will want a car affordable and fast enough without sacrificing to do so, in either case, to each his own.
Some will always want to be die-hard racers and will make the sacrifices to do so, others will want a car affordable and fast enough without sacrificing to do so, in either case, to each his own.