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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 04:41 PM
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No offense Don but their kit has been brutally tested and put through its' paces on the track before it ever hit the street and the kit I've seen in person is amazing in fitment and quality, much like yours, and is incredibly fast. I couldn't find a flaw or a "I would've done that different" scenario with the entire kit. There wasn't any oil dipstick popping out on 12 psi with the PTuning kit on the street. Not bashing your kit because it is also a very nice kit.
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I can understand that and I agree.

However daily driving is the real test IMO. Track driving is brutal but the constant use, expansion and contraction, pot holes, vibrations etc will put a kit like this through it's paces. Weather, constant abuse etc will show the weaknesses. Which is what prompted me to ask that question. Because you see alot of people commenting on this thread but there are not that many kits out there on the cars. And even if there was they haven't been out long enough to see if they stand the test of time. Nothing personal here against the p tuning guys, it's just common sense.
Old Sep 9, 2009 | 05:52 PM
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I agree with don on this...Daily driveing can be much more brutal on a kit mainly for the fact that most of us will be on the streets and not the track...Time is the biggest test of them all imho.

imho though i think the p-tuning kit will do just fine, kit just looks solid to me.
Old Sep 9, 2009 | 06:21 PM
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Right time will tell which was what I was getting at rather than getting excited about something you have no real experience with because you don't own the kit yourself.

Many many manifold companies have awesome solid looking products and almost all have issues with cracking. Mainly due to construction layout and physics.

Again though, the main point here is time will tell.
Old Sep 9, 2009 | 06:32 PM
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i vote zpi ftw!


















i keed i keed lol
Old Sep 9, 2009 | 06:43 PM
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Dezod S1 ;) and how are you able to vote twice wierd.
Old Sep 9, 2009 | 06:46 PM
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I was curious, how much boost where you running to eject the dip stick from the car? We have had some customers run some serious boost Above 20 PSI and still never have that happen. How are you dealing with PCV?
Old Sep 9, 2009 | 06:47 PM
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I think they said they were only on 15lbs.
Old Sep 9, 2009 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DezodDon
I can understand that and I agree.

However daily driving is the real test IMO. Track driving is brutal but the constant use, expansion and contraction, pot holes, vibrations etc will put a kit like this through it's paces. Weather, constant abuse etc will show the weaknesses. Which is what prompted me to ask that question. Because you see alot of people commenting on this thread but there are not that many kits out there on the cars. And even if there was they haven't been out long enough to see if they stand the test of time. Nothing personal here against the p tuning guys, it's just common sense.
I agree 100%. Say what you'd like, however the test of time is a true testament. Joe was turbo'd for 40,000 street and drag strip miles. We have customers around the country with even more mileage than that on their S1 equipped cars.

Hell our local fella has over 17K miles on his 2008 boosted on our kit. He commutes 90 miles each day to and from work.
Old Sep 9, 2009 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by CarbonXe
I think they said they were only on 15lbs.
I would like PTuning to respond as to the entire details with how they are dealing with PCV as that obviously was an issue.
Old Sep 9, 2009 | 07:24 PM
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Didn't really want to jump into this thread since we felt it was for the end-user to give their feedback to the OP. But since other vendor can't seem to leave things alone, we'll add our $.02 to it.

I don't want to compare turbokits or questions a competitors turbokit, it's ultimately up to the customer to decide. But i will say this, whether you're looking to make 270whp, 300whp, 350whp, 400+whp on your tC, we have the components in place to make this a reality. Selling a customer a 500whp capable turbocharger for a turbo setup designed for 250whp is not good customer service--it's good salesmanship but not good customer service.

For those that are in the market for a turbo kit, we have all the components in place to make the higher power output on the tC a reality. Our 3" exhaust bolts to our turbo kit. Our WMI kit plugs right into our turbo kit, our soon to be release return style system will support the 300whp+ where the factory fuel system becomes a bottle neck. Our built motor will support the high hp setup as well. The Haltech unit that we will be releasing will be properly setup and tested for forced induction tC as well. The core of our turbo system, the blow-thru MAF, manifold, downpipe, and CAI intake has already proven to support 500+whp (dyno dynamics, not dynojet). That's more power than the stock M/T can even handle. And best of all we stand behind our product, we support our customers, we race our product, we can install our product and yes we can dyno tune our product on our own dyno. I can't say that about the other 99% of the vendors selling turbo kit on this forum or any forum.

Now we'll give the thread back to the OP.

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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MrC_Ptuning
Didn't really want to jump into this thread since we felt it was for the end-user to give their feedback to the OP. But since other vendor can't seem to leave things alone, we'll add our $.02 to it.

I don't want to compare turbokits or questions a competitors turbokit, it's ultimately up to the customer to decide. But i will say this, whether you're looking to make 270whp, 300whp, 350whp, 400+whp on your tC, we have the components in place to make this a reality. Selling a customer a 500whp capable turbocharger for a turbo setup designed for 250whp is not good customer service--it's good salesmanship but not good customer service.

For those that are in the market for a turbo kit, we have all the components in place to make the higher power output on the tC a reality. Our 3" exhaust bolts to our turbo kit. Our WMI kit plugs right into our turbo kit, our soon to be release return style system will support the 300whp+ where the factory fuel system becomes a bottle neck. Our built motor will support the high hp setup as well. The Haltech unit that we will be releasing will be properly setup and tested for forced induction tC as well. The core of our turbo system, the blow-thru MAF, manifold, downpipe, and CAI intake has already proven to support 500+whp (dyno dynamics, not dynojet). That's more power than the stock M/T can even handle. And best of all we stand behind our product, we support our customers, we race our product, we can install our product and yes we can dyno tune our product on our own dyno. I can't say that about the other 99% of the vendors selling turbo kit on this forum or any forum.

Now we'll give the thread back to the OP.

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I do not know if you where referring to us or not, but I do have an idea that you where. If that is the case, let me clarify some things for you.

No one was downplaying any of your products or services, however you seem to think so and feel the need to defend yourself, your products and services. I do not know if it's something personal on your end or not, but I do not recall anyone from here talking out of line about anything PTuning.

Don merely stated that only time and real street experience will show how the kit will withstand the test of DD. This is the simple truth, and there is no need to get bent out of shape about it. Time will ultimately tell the quality of any product. That is why we did 8 months of street and track testing back in 2005 before we released our S1 kit, which was designed as an entry level kit capable of supporting up to 400HP.

The only time I chimed into this thread about was one mere comment about a local and some feedback I have gotten from long term customers from back in 2005 and 2006. Simple as that.

Reference of our posts in case it eluded you:

Originally Posted by DezodDon
Our kit utilizes the stock dipstick and we have no problems with it?

Not trying to stir the pot here I am just curious how many people on this board have the p tuning turbo kit? How many have it installed and for how long? I think it's a little early to start calling winners. Just saying.
Originally Posted by DezodDon
I can understand that and I agree.

However daily driving is the real test IMO. Track driving is brutal but the constant use, expansion and contraction, pot holes, vibrations etc will put a kit like this through it's paces. Weather, constant abuse etc will show the weaknesses. Which is what prompted me to ask that question. Because you see alot of people commenting on this thread but there are not that many kits out there on the cars. And even if there was they haven't been out long enough to see if they stand the test of time. Nothing personal here against the p tuning guys, it's just common sense.
Originally Posted by DezodDon
Right time will tell which was what I was getting at rather than getting excited about something you have no real experience with because you don't own the kit yourself.

Many many manifold companies have awesome solid looking products and almost all have issues with cracking. Mainly due to construction layout and physics.

Again though, the main point here is time will tell.
Not not one negative remark

My question about the incident.

Originally Posted by paul_dezod
I was curious, how much boost where you running to eject the dip stick from the car? We have had some customers run some serious boost Above 20 PSI and still never have that happen. How are you dealing with PCV?
Again, not one blow.

Originally Posted by paul_dezod
I agree 100%. Say what you'd like, however the test of time is a true testament. Joe was turbo'd for 40,000 street and drag strip miles. We have customers around the country with even more mileage than that on their S1 equipped cars.

Hell our local fella has over 17K miles on his 2008 boosted on our kit. He commutes 90 miles each day to and from work.
My rehash of the original question because I wanted to hear an answer from the original person whom had the issue.

Originally Posted by paul_dezod
I would like PTuning to respond as to the entire details with how they are dealing with PCV as that obviously was an issue.
In the end, still not one negative comment. So with this all being said, I am going to assume that you are not referring to us.

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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 07:56 PM
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DezodDon
Our kit utilizes the stock dipstick and we have no problems with it?

Not trying to stir the pot here I am just curious how many people on this board have the p tuning turbo kit? How many have it installed and for how long? I think it's a little early to start calling winners. Just saying.


While were at those questions, I would like to know how many Dezod kits are running more than 10lbs of boost? And how many Dezod kits are running on a Road course for a prolonged period at a time.
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Originally Posted by DezodDon
I can understand that and I agree.

However daily driving is the real test IMO. Track driving is brutal but the constant use, expansion and contraction, pot holes, vibrations etc will put a kit like this through it's paces. Weather, constant abuse etc will show the weaknesses. Which is what prompted me to ask that question. Because you see alot of people commenting on this thread but there are not that many kits out there on the cars. And even if there was they haven't been out long enough to see if they stand the test of time. Nothing personal here against the p tuning guys, it's just common sense.
are you kidding me.....when is the last time you heard Toyota, Honda, Ferrari, Porsche advertise....we tested out parts and vehicles on the streets.....so we could put it in our race cars......

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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by paul_dezod
I agree 100%. Say what you'd like, however the test of time is a true testament. Joe was turbo'd for 40,000 street and drag strip miles. We have customers around the country with even more mileage than that on their S1 equipped cars.

Hell our local fella has over 17K miles on his 2008 boosted on our kit. He commutes 90 miles each day to and from work.


I'm pretty sure I have had more miles on a boosted tC than ANYONE mentioned in this thread. If a ZPI turbo kit can withstand that, it's just stupid to think or question even whether or not a PTuning kit can withstand daily driving....
Old Sep 9, 2009 | 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by j3st3r
are you kidding me.....when is the last time you heard Toyota, Honda, Ferrari, Porsche advertise....we tested out parts and vehicles on the streets.....so we could put it in our race cars......

Amen Boss....Stuff don't get engineered "BACKWARDS". Weak Sauce I tell you....WEAK!
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