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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 12:26 AM
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yeah, nah, he was just double checking to make sure everything was hooked up and reading properly i guess. i'm sure mo could post in here what they did in his car, they just did a full pulls on the street to see how the car feeds into the laptop, but yeah, he just showed us all on the laptop how mo's car was giving telling the tuning computer this number, and mine wasn't sending it.

so i'm guessing either there is a loose wire in the harness or maybe i have a defective unit, which would suck.

and while we know that my tc and mo's tc are as different as they are similar, he has an ECU for a automatic n/a tc converted to a manual transmission, running his kit with a smaller turbo, and 7X0 cc injectors, while i'm running an ecu for a manual transmission supercharged tc, with a bigger turbo, and 550 cc injectors, oh, and a world racing intake manifold to boot, also complete fuel system and such. yeah, i wish i could have just copied mo's tune and stuck it in mine, so atleast my car could drive, but alas no.

so while there was some tuning done, sadely...not enough...tomorrow, everybody focus your positive energy on my tc being complete ready by tomorrow!
Old Sep 29, 2009 | 12:27 AM
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good luck
Old Sep 29, 2009 | 12:46 AM
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Ive never tuned a trd computer tc with aem fic..

Im thinking you wouldint even need to pull timing!

I would throw away that ecu! and get a oem one!
Old Sep 29, 2009 | 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ElevationTC
Ive never tuned a trd computer tc with aem fic..

Im thinking you wouldint even need to pull timing!

I would throw away that ecu! and get a oem one!
well, at this point, i want the car on the road running steady. if the trd reflash interferes too much, i have a few options, one is cburg says he has an 05 ecu i could either use, or reflash my current ECU with, next option would be to just step up with a full standalone. i really want that one dezod was working on to tune the factory ECU. or an AEM standalone, but that will just have to wait, the car just needs to get finished now.
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Originally Posted by draxcaliber
well, at this point, i want the car on the road running steady. if the trd reflash interferes too much, i have a few options, one is cburg says he has an 05 ecu i could either use, or reflash my current ECU with, next option would be to just step up with a full standalone. i really want that one dezod was working on to tune the factory ECU. or an AEM standalone, but that will just have to wait, the car just needs to get finished now.
yea i have a 05 ecu its out of a turbo but i think it should still fit the same harness...just need to do a neutral bypass
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Originally Posted by cburglb34
yea i have a 05 ecu its out of a turbo but i think it should still fit the same harness...just need to do a neutral bypass
you mean out of an auto?
Old Sep 29, 2009 | 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by draxcaliber
you mean out of an auto?
yes auto lol why did i say turbo hmmm must be on my mind
Old Sep 29, 2009 | 01:21 AM
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drax if you need an ecu im pretty sure i can find one for ya...just let me know
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Originally Posted by ElevationTC
So it was stuck or ur being sarcastic?
oh, i was being sarcastic. well...one more night, hopefully...just gotta hope everything is figured out and the car gets tuned tomorrow well enough.
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wish ya luck
Old Sep 29, 2009 | 12:11 PM
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To clear somethings my tune was not copied, I guarantee it.. From the get go they were having problems. It Not idling right, keep shutting down, etc.... The first 2 hours past and they asked to look at my harness at everything, OK, they go back to draxs car try trouble shooting some more than they ask me to start the car, ok.... why not trying to help a friend get his car done.Tuner shows me and everyone what shows up with mine and not showing up on draxs. If he was trying to copy and past good luck to him cause that wont work since mine and draxs setups are different and most likey need seperate tunes.
Old Sep 29, 2009 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by draxcaliber
sigh...damn it all, okay, car got to the dyno today, started tuning idle and partial throttle, but there's a problem, the AEM f/ic isn't getting any MAP reading.

mike, the tuner hooked up to mo's tC to see whats going on and took a test ride with him, and the MAP sensor on his aem f/ic is giving a reading.

so either there is a problem with the aem f/ic i have, or a problem with the pnp harness, like needing a resistor or something. they said they should be able to figure it out, fix it and have it ready by tomorrow at 1.

they said to call them at 11 in the morning and see where it is at. damn, i was soo excited today and seeing it on the dyno, it sounds great too, but now there is a kink in the harness ruining everyhign.
Sounds like an FIC problem. If it's not getting a MAP signal, it's entirely FIC related as that sensor is on-board calibrated and handled.
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well, i just spoke to them, the said the MAF sensor was caked up with gunk, which is strange since the car wasn't giving me any problems before hand, but cleaned it up and i think they said that got rid of the idling problem. right now they are doing the transistor mod to the harness to clean up the signal, and hopefully it'll be back on the dyno in the next 5 minutes, they said call back in an hour.
Old Sep 29, 2009 | 04:24 PM
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okay, they just called me, sounds like the car is ready, they're getting it off the dyno, and test driving it, then they're coming to pick me up! i hope it is all good news!
Old Sep 29, 2009 | 04:52 PM
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good luck christian! hope its all good!
Old Sep 29, 2009 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mospeedtc
To clear somethings my tune was not copied, I guarantee it.. From the get go they were having problems. It Not idling right, keep shutting down, etc.... The first 2 hours past and they asked to look at my harness at everything, OK, they go back to draxs car try trouble shooting some more than they ask me to start the car, ok.... why not trying to help a friend get his car done.Tuner shows me and everyone what shows up with mine and not showing up on draxs. If he was trying to copy and past good luck to him cause that wont work since mine and draxs setups are different and most likey need seperate tunes.
Mo, it's all good, there's absolutely nothing wrong with trying to help a friend and this is is no way directed to you or Drax.

I do hope they are able to figure things out, but just about everything posted about the tune and the so-called wiring problems encountered makes absolutely no sense to someone that is looking at it from a techical standpoint. BTW, I can almost guarantee that they have your map. Any good tuner would save the FIC map before even viewing it. You never know whether you're going to accidentally hit the keyboard and mess up someone's tune while viewing it.

I find it strange that after spending so much time on the car and getting nowhere, that all of a sudden after hooking up to your (Mo's) PTUNING tuned F/IC ECU, they somehow figured out all the "wiring" issues that need to be addressed and tell the customer that his car will be ready by one o'clock the next day. I know that if I encountered a strange new problem with a car's tune and wiring I certainly would not be comfortable with giving myself such a tight timeline for figuring out the problem.

From a tuning standpoint of the F/IC, about 90% of the getting it to run properly tuning on the tC is creating the proper base settings (i.e. O2 map and MAF map and base parameter settings). With that said, the difficult leg work has been done.

At that point it doesn't matter what turbo, SC, intake manifold, injectors, exhaust, auto/manual/ECU, etc. that the car has on it - the difficult set-up part has been done. At this point the tuner will just need to tweak the fuel map and timing map to suit his particular set-up.

But alas, let's just hope they get Drax's car running right and get him back on the road. Welcome to the Turbo Club.

- Toan
Old Sep 29, 2009 | 05:20 PM
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Thanks for the input toan. I guess as just a spectator I cant reall say I know what was going on.
Old Sep 29, 2009 | 05:51 PM
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Basically you ended up taking it to PTuning anyway....LOL.

I know, I tease.
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Originally Posted by Ptuning_tuner
I do hope they are able to figure things out, but just about everything posted about the tune and the so-called wiring problems encountered makes absolutely no sense to someone that is looking at it from a techical standpoint. BTW, I can almost guarantee that they have your map. Any good tuner would save the FIC map before even viewing it. You never know whether you're going to accidentally hit the keyboard and mess up someone's tune while viewing it.

From a tuning standpoint of the F/IC, about 90% of the getting it to run properly tuning on the tC is creating the proper base settings (i.e. O2 map and MAF map and base parameter settings). With that said, the difficult leg work has been done.

At that point it doesn't matter what turbo, SC, intake manifold, injectors, exhaust, auto/manual/ECU, etc. that the car has on it - the difficult set-up part has been done. At this point the tuner will just need to tweak the fuel map and timing map to suit his particular set-up.

- Toan
I agree 100% Toan.
Old Sep 29, 2009 | 06:26 PM
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well i wish i could take credit for planning on that, but i really can't, mo wanted to see the car, i wanted a ride to the shop, he could drove his nissan versa to come and get me, but he chose to drive his tc. mainly we were planning to do some cruising together after the car was ready to see how it drove and handled (no comparative driving on the streets) and then meet up with kanundrum for some dinner. but alas...the car wasn't ready. still waiting, on the dyno now, they're going to call me when it is ready and they'll come pick me up with it. until then...daytime tv FTL!



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