SI VS TC?
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Once again, why does everyone overlook the Mazdaspeed 3? it's 23k, come turbo'd with HID headlights and a 6-speed, and lays down 280 ft lbs of torque @ 3000 RPM. I would probably be driving one if I could afford a second vehicle. Would probably sell the xB for one if I didn't need the wheelchair lift.
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Point is that for less cash, you get a turbo'd, high performance vehicle with a full warranty. People will argue that the tC is 17k vs. 23k and it can make 300 whp. For the cost, time and effort to bring the tC up to 300 hp, you'll be going over 23k, void your warranty and have a vehicle with a much depreciated resale value. Check for threads about resale on modd'd tC's, they aren't pretty.
Now if you choose the tC because you like the style, want something that has a cheap base price and is easy to customize, go for it. 200 HP shouldn't be too hard to achieve for less than the cost difference of it and the Si. My only point is that from a pure performance / $ standpoint, there are better options than both the tC and Si.
Now if you choose the tC because you like the style, want something that has a cheap base price and is easy to customize, go for it. 200 HP shouldn't be too hard to achieve for less than the cost difference of it and the Si. My only point is that from a pure performance / $ standpoint, there are better options than both the tC and Si.
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I love my tC
as for the Mazdaspeed3, it wasn\'t out yet when I bought my car. However, even if it did, I don\'t think I\'d buy it still. Sure it\\\'s around $4,000 more than my car but I\'m still young, I still have my hair (bites nails), still not a daddy, no diapers or stroller to haul around... so I don\'t have any needs for a station wagon
Even when I have a kid, I don\'t think I\'m going to get a fast car. I wouldn\'t want the devil to step on my right foot and endanger my child. I\'ll probably get something like this
as for the Mazdaspeed3, it wasn\'t out yet when I bought my car. However, even if it did, I don\'t think I\'d buy it still. Sure it\\\'s around $4,000 more than my car but I\'m still young, I still have my hair (bites nails), still not a daddy, no diapers or stroller to haul around... so I don\'t have any needs for a station wagon
Even when I have a kid, I don\'t think I\'m going to get a fast car. I wouldn\'t want the devil to step on my right foot and endanger my child. I\'ll probably get something like this
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Stationwagon. Why does everyone hate on the 5-door hatch. There's nothing but love for 'em in Europe. Plus, think of the system that can be crammed back there. it's also great for moving every semester while in college.Here's a stationwagon:
And another, still can't get the stying on it:
This is not a wagon, it's a 5-door hatch
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mazdaspeed3 owns man...owns.....
and that 1 series does to
the si is fast dont hate on it for being a little faster than the tC quit the b*tching and buy parts for the tC and then burn an si and tell em your stock itll be alot funner.
and that 1 series does to
the si is fast dont hate on it for being a little faster than the tC quit the b*tching and buy parts for the tC and then burn an si and tell em your stock itll be alot funner.
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Originally Posted by trdmaster
i read a track review on that, the tC w/ the SC still couldnt beat the SI on the track, from what the article said, they did 5 1/4 mile runs and only 1 time did the tC get an exact match at the SI
Solid times that are identical to the numbers we ran in the Civic Si. With a limited-slip splitting up the torque, there's no doubt that the tC would be quicker, but as of right now, Scion doesn't offer one.
you want the link
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...6/pageNumber=1
The SI has high compression piston from what I heard and you can't run much boost with out swapping them out.
The mazdaspeed3 is cool but I dont like four door cars. lol I like the 1 series coupe.
Doesn't this dude has another threads with the same topic?
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Yup, thread is here:
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...569&highlight=
Would be nice if they could be merged.
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...569&highlight=
Would be nice if they could be merged.
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Originally Posted by Whocares05050
Ok, now heres the FACTS:
I traded the tC in to get an 08 SI. MUCH MUCH NICER. Heres why:
SI: 6 Speed
tC: 5 Speed
SI: LSD Stock
tC: optional add on $$$
SI: Much nicer interior
tC: Blah
SI: More potential
tC: Have fun finding parts
To whomever said the SI runs a 15.6 is full of it. MOST Si driver get them between 14.0 - 15.0 STOCK. I got a 14.8 STOCK. tC cant even break 15.3 stock.
PROOF:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhWttLZ0EmU
The suspension on the Si is WAY better from the factory. You actually get nice bucket /race style seating. The arm rest is adjustable. The cars lighter, the cars more fun to drive.
The tC, falls on its face in 3rd gear. and isnt fun after a while. I know, ive gone the all motor route AND turbo route with the tC.
Go test drive both. You WILL NOT be signing with scion. To whomever said the SI was 5k over that of a tC, is WRONG aswell.
tC: MSRP:: 17,620
Si: MSRP:: 21,110
Differance? $3,490
Add in that price for an LSD + Installation = another 1600 in cost for the tC, minimum.
Turbo a tC and kill an SI? no poop. HOWEVER, Turbo SI> Turbo tC > S/C Si > S/C tC.
Insurance was only 22 doallars mroe than the tC, so no bank breaker there either.
I traded the tC in to get an 08 SI. MUCH MUCH NICER. Heres why:
SI: 6 Speed
tC: 5 Speed
SI: LSD Stock
tC: optional add on $$$
SI: Much nicer interior
tC: Blah
SI: More potential
tC: Have fun finding parts
To whomever said the SI runs a 15.6 is full of it. MOST Si driver get them between 14.0 - 15.0 STOCK. I got a 14.8 STOCK. tC cant even break 15.3 stock.
PROOF:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhWttLZ0EmU
The suspension on the Si is WAY better from the factory. You actually get nice bucket /race style seating. The arm rest is adjustable. The cars lighter, the cars more fun to drive.
The tC, falls on its face in 3rd gear. and isnt fun after a while. I know, ive gone the all motor route AND turbo route with the tC.
Go test drive both. You WILL NOT be signing with scion. To whomever said the SI was 5k over that of a tC, is WRONG aswell.
tC: MSRP:: 17,620
Si: MSRP:: 21,110
Differance? $3,490
Add in that price for an LSD + Installation = another 1600 in cost for the tC, minimum.
Turbo a tC and kill an SI? no poop. HOWEVER, Turbo SI> Turbo tC > S/C Si > S/C tC.
Insurance was only 22 doallars mroe than the tC, so no bank breaker there either.
Im sorry but they were feedin it to ya if you believe that POS video How the hell can he say he ran 14.18 stock, im sorry The fastest I've seen STOCK, BONE STOCK Civics, and I mean with everything it comes with, stock spare tire,stock all season tires, not one engine mod, 14.89 at the most they can go, so yeah You wish they can go 14.18 stock if that is true, you put on some bolt ons and you can do 13.5 which is a load of BS
And on another note:
Scion tC FTW!!!!
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Originally Posted by \"vettereddie\"
Why does everyone hate on the 5-door hatch. There\'s nothing but love for \'em in Europe.
If europe is so great and America sucks... you are welcome to leave anytime.
I\'m sure there are a couple of billion people in this world who would love to trade places with you.
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Originally Posted by Whocares05050
Ok, now heres the FACTS:
I traded the tC in to get an 08 SI. MUCH MUCH NICER. Heres why:
SI: 6 Speed
tC: 5 Speed
SI: LSD Stock
tC: optional add on $$$
SI: Much nicer interior
tC: Blah
SI: More potential
tC: Have fun finding parts
To whomever said the SI runs a 15.6 is full of it. MOST Si driver get them between 14.0 - 15.0 STOCK. I got a 14.8 STOCK. tC cant even break 15.3 stock.
PROOF:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhWttLZ0EmU
The suspension on the Si is WAY better from the factory. You actually get nice bucket /race style seating. The arm rest is adjustable. The cars lighter, the cars more fun to drive.
The tC, falls on its face in 3rd gear. and isnt fun after a while. I know, ive gone the all motor route AND turbo route with the tC.
Go test drive both. You WILL NOT be signing with scion. To whomever said the SI was 5k over that of a tC, is WRONG aswell.
tC: MSRP:: 17,620
Si: MSRP:: 21,110
Differance? $3,490
Add in that price for an LSD + Installation = another 1600 in cost for the tC, minimum.
Turbo a tC and kill an SI? no poop. HOWEVER, Turbo SI> Turbo tC > S/C Si > S/C tC.
Insurance was only 22 doallars mroe than the tC, so no bank breaker there either.
I traded the tC in to get an 08 SI. MUCH MUCH NICER. Heres why:
SI: 6 Speed
tC: 5 Speed
SI: LSD Stock
tC: optional add on $$$
SI: Much nicer interior
tC: Blah
SI: More potential
tC: Have fun finding parts
To whomever said the SI runs a 15.6 is full of it. MOST Si driver get them between 14.0 - 15.0 STOCK. I got a 14.8 STOCK. tC cant even break 15.3 stock.
PROOF:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhWttLZ0EmU
The suspension on the Si is WAY better from the factory. You actually get nice bucket /race style seating. The arm rest is adjustable. The cars lighter, the cars more fun to drive.
The tC, falls on its face in 3rd gear. and isnt fun after a while. I know, ive gone the all motor route AND turbo route with the tC.
Go test drive both. You WILL NOT be signing with scion. To whomever said the SI was 5k over that of a tC, is WRONG aswell.
tC: MSRP:: 17,620
Si: MSRP:: 21,110
Differance? $3,490
Add in that price for an LSD + Installation = another 1600 in cost for the tC, minimum.
Turbo a tC and kill an SI? no poop. HOWEVER, Turbo SI> Turbo tC > S/C Si > S/C tC.
Insurance was only 22 doallars mroe than the tC, so no bank breaker there either.
okay the part about the SI turbo being > then the tC turbo
well thats a lot of BS, im sry but parts are way easier to find for the tC and the tC can handle a lot more boost since the SI has insternal pistons pushing 11.5:1 compression, which is BAD for turbo, a little too much boost and poof, ur engine is dead, so stupid
i tell u what, someone rebuild the tC engine w/ 11.0:1 compression pistons, valves, injectors, ecu., etc. etc. and you will c the tC rapping the $h!t out of the SI.
the tC has a much bigger block which mean WAY MORE potential, nough said
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Originally Posted by cwayne
Originally Posted by \"vettereddie\"
Why does everyone hate on the 5-door hatch. There\'s nothing but love for \'em in Europe.
If europe is so great and America sucks... you are welcome to leave anytime.
I\'m sure there are a couple of billion people in this world who would love to trade places with you.
I am currently employed as an engineer for the US Navy. We are tasked with continuing maritime-based superiority of the Naval warfighter. The work I perform improves mission availability, reduces cost, and improves safety for the Navy and Marine aviator and maintainer. What have you done for the America you so boldly and wrongly accuse others of hating?
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Originally Posted by vettereddie
Originally Posted by cwayne
Originally Posted by \"vettereddie\"
Why does everyone hate on the 5-door hatch. There\'s nothing but love for \'em in Europe.
If europe is so great and America sucks... you are welcome to leave anytime.
I\'m sure there are a couple of billion people in this world who would love to trade places with you.
I am currently employed as an engineer for the US Navy. We are tasked with continuing maritime-based superiority of the Naval warfighter. The work I perform improves mission availability, reduces cost, and improves safety for the Navy and Marine aviator and maintainer. What have you done for the America you so boldly and wrongly accuse others of hating?
oh no..come on...United we stand...dun tear it apart..
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\"Wow, it\'s a sad day in this country when one can\'t express a positive opinion about a trait of another continent without being called out for being unpatriotic.\"
Hmmm... funny how you made fun of \"American cars\" and you put european and Japanese on a pedestal. Yet you\'re patriotic? LOL!
Please take the next plane to europe. I\'m sure there are a couple of people in 3rd world countries who would love to become an American.
Hmmm... funny how you made fun of \"American cars\" and you put european and Japanese on a pedestal. Yet you\'re patriotic? LOL!
Please take the next plane to europe. I\'m sure there are a couple of people in 3rd world countries who would love to become an American.
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Final thoughts: I did not ever made fun of American cars, nor did I put European or Japanese cars on a pedestal. I was merely pointing out the difference in buying trends between world demographics. It may be of interest to you that Ford did release an SVT version of the Focus, and yes, it was a 5 door hatch as well. I hope that in time you are able to appreciate viewpoints that differ from you own.
Closing this debate to get back on topic, tC is quicker off the line than an Si, Si will take a stock tC over the 1/4, all drivers being equal. Cost to modify the tC to bring it above Si performance in a straight line should be less than base price of the Si, curved track is debatable. For the money, there are higher performing vehicles than both, domestic and foreign (Cobalt SS, Speed3, Cooper S, Mustang GT). Go with whatever you like the best, no one else has to drive it.
Friday is Decmber 7, a day which will live in infamy. I hope you all will take a moment to remember the sacrifices your fathers, uncles, mothers and grandparents made. If not for them we could have all been speaking German.
Closing this debate to get back on topic, tC is quicker off the line than an Si, Si will take a stock tC over the 1/4, all drivers being equal. Cost to modify the tC to bring it above Si performance in a straight line should be less than base price of the Si, curved track is debatable. For the money, there are higher performing vehicles than both, domestic and foreign (Cobalt SS, Speed3, Cooper S, Mustang GT). Go with whatever you like the best, no one else has to drive it.
Friday is Decmber 7, a day which will live in infamy. I hope you all will take a moment to remember the sacrifices your fathers, uncles, mothers and grandparents made. If not for them we could have all been speaking German.
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\"you seriously telling other people to leave the U.S.?\"
Living in the U.S. is a privilege. Unless you\'re a native American, if you don\'t like this country, you are more than welcome to back to where you or your ancestors came from.
Living in the U.S. is a privilege. Unless you\'re a native American, if you don\'t like this country, you are more than welcome to back to where you or your ancestors came from.