\"Friday is Decmber 7, a day which will live in infamy. I hope you all will take a moment to remember the sacrifices your fathers, uncles, mothers and grandparents made. If not for them we could have all been speaking German.\"

Hey Professor, December 7, 1941 is when the JAPANESE attacked us, NOT the Germans.

Thank God you were not in our Navy then or it would have been a bigger massacre.

 

i myself have beat 2 new si's with intake and exhaust i kill them off the line and then they are like only a fender at the end of the track (i am running 15.2's)

 

/sigh/ Well, guess I'll finish feeding the troll. Glad you're paying a bit of attention to history. Yes, the Japanese DID attack us on December 7, 1941. They attacked us as a pre-emptive measure fearing our involvement on our own terms as they took over British holdings in the south Pacific. This act, however, did bring us into WW II, and if not for the devotion of the ship crews, much more of the Pacific fleet would be lost. This would have the adverse affect of pulling battle groups from the Atlantic fleet to supplement the losses in the Pacific against the more immediate threat. End result, Atlantic fleet would not be strong enough to counter German U-boat operations in the Atlantic, supply lines would be lost and there would be a very real chance of losing the war in the European theater, hence the German speaking quip. Japan never wanted to conquer the US, only neutralize us as a threat to their expansion.

For Naval strategy, I do find it interesting that by damaging the Pacific battleship fleet, they forced us to adopt an offensive based on carrier attack aircraft and submarines for carrier battle group protection. It was this new, unproven method of naval warfare that ultimately led us to win the war in the Pacific.

Put down Medal of Honor and Call to Duty, learn the real history, and if so inclined to do something about "9/11" as your signature states, talk to your local recruiter. I hear the Army has lowered standards again so you should be able to make it.

Ok, that was a long post , sorry to drift off-topic again. I'm out of troll feed and signing off.

 

You're driving a Scion? A Japanese car? Unpatriotic!
You know plain well what vettereddie was talking about in his original post that you got all ____y at. If you didn't, well, i'm sorry for you.

Get off your soapbox.

 

\"Put down Medal of Honor and Call to Duty, learn the real history,\"

learn history from you? you don\'t even know the difference between the japanese and the germans. pull your head out of your **** einstein.

 

\\\"I hear the Army has lowered standards again so you should be able to make it. \\\"

You are so full of crap Mr. Walter Mitty. I have NEVER EVER met any military person who put down other members of our very own armed forces.

You are just a wanna be military person, you idiot. You are living a fantasy life you baboon.

 

For overall performance I think the SI has the tC beat. If the tC and the Si were to race each other on a road course in a 10 lap race, i think the Si would win and it wouldn't even be close.

But if you were to throw $5000 worth of mods on the tC like, LSD, summer tires, CAI, exhaust, and suspension, I think the tC would at lest be neck and neck, if not beat the Si.

 

listen all fools...

what would you rather have

a toyota or a honda???





such an unnessesary argument
i am dissapointed in you all

 

i just wish Toyota would make a entry level sports car that would be able to take on the competition out of the box.

yes the tC is a wonderful car to mod and there are many options out there for after market parts to make it handle and go faster but nothing beats factory reliability.

to bad they killed the celica.. if they had priced that car right it would have sold like hot cakes and still be with us today
i think Toyota is learning though with the Scion brand on what the new generation is looking for in cars and the tC is the first step in the right direction

 

Unexpected, my thoughts exactly. Hopefully the next-gen tC or it's replacement will come with a bit more power out of the box. With the Cobalt, Caliber, Mazda3, Altima, Eclypse, GTI, and Mustang all offering 200+ HP, the tC seems to be falling a bit behind the pack stock. of course, if they do bump up the power, suspension and brakes, it will most likely push it into the 20k+ price range. Of the existing tC owners, would you have been willing when you bought to pay an extra 4k for added power?

At least we can still fit Celica injectors on our blocks.

 

i actually wouldnt mind either one.

 

\"With the Cobalt, Caliber, Mazda3,\"
The non-performance trims of those cars get urinated on by the tC. Their performance models are alteast $4,000 more than the tC. More money = more performance so no surprise.

\"Altima, Eclypse, GTI, and Mustang all offering 200+ HP, the tC seems to be falling a bit behind the pack stock.\"

Of course it falls behind, those cars, again, are far more expensive than the tC.

Would it be fair to compare an EVO to your beloved Mazdaspeed wagon? I wouldn\'t think so, probably the $6,000 difference might have something to do with it.

 

Sorry if there is misinterpretation in my above statement. Vs. the lowest trim level of the vehicles mentioned above, the tC does hold a torque advantage. The point I was trying to make is that the tC does not offer a performance variant, other than the supercharger option, which still comes in under 200 HP with all factory parts. It can of course be modified to about 240, but we are talking factory warrented performance.

I was simply echoing unexpected's sentiments that it would be nice if Toyota released a turn-key sports car under the Scion brand, one that could run with the Sport versions of other manufacturers without the need for modification.

The tC has excellent performance and features for 17k. My point is, for the extra 4k, there are factory alternatives that match or exceed the performance gained from a 4k in parts, tuning and labor on a boosted tC while retaining the warranty and resale of the vehicle.

Back to the original topic, for the cost of the Civic Si, better values are to be had. I simply throw the Mazdaspeed 3 out as one example, not the only alternative. Check with Car & Driver, Road & Track and Motortrend for comparisson breakdowns. They have all done shoot-outs in the 20-25k bracket and rate by straight-line performance, handling, daily driveability, and overall quality. For some reason these magazines like to ignore the Scion brand though, so it is tough to find information on any of thier models.

 

Not going to happen. Their current marketing trend is mpg. All their cars get over 30mpg highway. Throw in another Supra, and that claim is now false. You could turbo a small engine, pair it with a 6 speed and still achieve that 30mpg. Many VWs do it. But, there goes Toyota's legendary reliability.

It can't be released under Scion, as Scion is a cost-effective brand. Again, not likely to ever see a car over 20k in the Scion line.

 

Does that mean the Supra's coming back under Toyota I'd love to see that if they can keep it under 30k.

 

i wasn't talking about scion or toyota getting a 13 second 1/4 mile car lol... just something like a high 14 would be great and there are many ways to still keep good gas mileage while still having a quick car

i say put the 3.5L in something like the tC, keep the price under 22k and call it a day..

i also believe the with the current tC the s/c should have been a factory optiion rather then a TRD add on. it would have cut costs and they would have still been able to keep the car under 20k

 

Then you've never met anyone from the military. Everyone I knew from school who was in the military, made fun of another branch, Wether it was calling the Air Force the "Chair Force" or even the Coast Guard "Puddle Pirates", they all did it.

As much as everyone would love to see that, it's not going to happen. The old mkIV Supra's were 40+ and that was 15 years ago..That's about 60-70k today. I'd say if they brought it back to compete, it would be high 30's to low 50's, competing with Evo/STi/350z, things of that caliber. It wouldn't stand a chance going against the new GT-R or 911's (like it did in the 90's) unless it was priced at around 80-95k. It's unfortuante though. Toyota has the technology and marketing to do it.

 

I was hoping Toyota's jump into NASCAR would lead to something production stateside, guess that isn't the case.

I saw articles earlier about an 08 Supra,

but so far they've been proven false. I think the image is actually the lexus LF-A. With a 50-70k estimate too, I'd be better off with a Rousch 'Stang or a modded G37.

Maybe they'll still bring out the FT-HS concept to production, either as a hybrid or gas.

 

Hey genius, there's a difference between a bunch of guys making fun of each other when having fun, compared to putting the other person down. I have many friends and family members who are and have served the military. Sure they made fun of one another, never tho have one of them looked down on the other and called them stupid.

 

I doubt that car will come out as a Toyota. It'll probably come out as a Lexus competing with the Skyline.

As for that white monstrosity... I hope it's gasoline only, a hybrid "super car" makes me wanna lose my lunch.