CLIFF here is a question.. maybe you can get an answer too... so far we have heard that there was suppose to be a piggy back engine management system with the SC... then there is not going to be one... and the ECU will be reflashed with the corrected mapping.. 'IF' you go and by the SC.. and install it yourself.. will the kit come with the reflasher or will the car have to be taken in to the dealer for reflashing..?

 

later on in the thread from the other message board that i linked to on the first page of this thread, it is stated that each dealer will have to buy 1 ecu reflasher and it costs $450 i think it is. but only one is needed so the customers won't be paying $450 on top of the sc installation or anything, but i bet they will secretly make it so each person getting the sc installed probably will pay for part of it in the install price, like maybe $10 a person or something like that. so that $450 reflasher is a problem if you want to install it yourself. and once again scion does what it can to put people at the mercy of dealer install prices.

 

Sorry, but I'm only technical enough to get my ___ into trouble and didn't know to ask that. With my DM, I doubt he would know anyway. I'll see what I can dig up, but you'll likely find a better answer from somedoby else on this.

 

Well now, that's much better news, seeing as how I was hoping for around $3k installed. The TRD supercharger suddenly looks more appealing again!

 

completely agree with you, thay dude kwiksilver doesn't make any sense at all - stupid to turbocharge a 4 banger ?!?! most turbo's are on 4 cylinder engines like RSX-S, SRT4, WRX/STI, Cobalt SS, Audi A3/A4, VW Golf, Jetta, Passat, Saab 9-3/9-5, need I say more ? In fact most of then use 2.0L engines and get around 200-225 hp, but the ones that use 2.3-2.5L engines get 300 hp (SRT4, STI), so the TC with is 2.4L is a very good candidate for some serious turbocharged power.

 

^^actually the rsx/rsx-s don't come w/ turbo or w/ a SC. it is stock at 210hp w/ no F/I. there are turbo kits and SC kits for the rsx but never has been a dealer option. and the cobalt SS is not turbo charged it's SC.

 

Interesting, I just assumed the RSX-S is S/C or T/C cause it's the same engine size as the base RSX but has more hp. I wonder how they can get so much more out of the same engine...

 

Higher compression ratio, better engine breathing (less restrictive airbox and exhaust) and some fine-tuning of the engine (VTEC). It's only 40 HP.

BTW, the Camaro SS and the Corvette had the same engine but a more restrictive air box on the Camaro gave it 30 less HP, if I'm not mistaken. That was the only difference.

 

you assume a lot of things don't you? tc interior colors being different depending on the exterior color and now what cars are supercharged and turbocharged. you should get your facts straight for once before making "factual" statements. give it a try, i've heard that it works well.

here is something for everyone to consider. due to the price of the sc being high, maybe the question that should be asked is this: is there a car out there that produces 200-204 hp that can be bought for equal to, or less than, the price of the tc plus the supercharger?

 

i rather buy a turbo, u can get one for same price or less and have 240whp @ 6psi

 

The info I received from my DM was that $3200 was MSRP plus install of 4-5 hours. Also was told the same....200+ hp, not defined further as to the crank or the wheels. Too bad the memo doesn't clue in the torque increase. Hopefully it'll be in the 225 ft/lb range. That would make the tC fly from a stop......Also, the release date mentioned to me was mid-late August.....so all you doubters out there, we have multiple dealers in various locations getting the same info. From my DM, sounds as if I will get about 5 in the initial order, where as smaller dealers will only get 2 or 3 to start.

 

So with the supercharger being around 3000, and the TC cost 16,500, the total price will be around 19500 to 20,000.

While pricing has not been set, the 06 Civic Si will come with 200hp NA, a six speed transmission, and an LSD. Current msrp for the Si is 19835, and I assume the 06 Si will probably be around the same price, most likely a little more. So that is another car to consider.

Also, while it isnt less than or equal to the 20,000 figure, the SRT4 is another model to consider; it can be bougt for under 21000 (before tax, title, ...).

 

^^ that SI will have no torque like every other honda so that 200HP doesn't mean anything

the SRT4 is just a neon, and the cobalt SS is just a cavalier, both crappy crappy unsafe cars with horrible reliability and resale value. so spend your money how you want. but i try and trade people out of these pieces every day and it NEVER works. one dude was about 8K hooked in his EVO.

the port will not install this unit (and neither will the factory for that matter), just as they do not install the air intake and i believe the exhaust as well due to state EPA standards. while these parts pass EPA emission laws they still don't f*** with it. at least not down south.

and TRD does farm out much work and then make sure it works with the model, however this unit was built ground up from TRD with guidance from the japanese engineers. all i can say is a factory sponsored F/I part warranteed for 5yrs or 60K miles is pretty cool.

 

Interesting... My SRT-4 hasn't had any problems... Yah, it's onlya Neon until you get beat... Then it's a SRT-4... :p

 

so um i was wondering, is the warranty part of the engines warranty or does it add on, becuz im at like 15k right now and it ends at 30k, so whats the point in warranty if its only going to last another 6-8 months (if in actuality it does come out august or whenever) because it didnt take more then 6-8 months to rack up 15k on my car right now

 

i can't wait

 

itimebomb, Chevy Cobalt IS NOT a Cavalier, it's a completely new car based on a gm's new delta platform. It is light years ahead of the cavalier, although it may not be the best in the compact class. The SS version with the supercharged 205 hp engine is probably faster then the tC would be with the TRD S/C.

So please cease with the trash talking, especially if you don't know the facts.

 

Actually you should have 5/60 on your powertrain. I imagine it would match that, or maybe 3/36??? Hopefully we will all know soon! I know alot of people that have been waiting a long time for this!!

 

that's funny. my 200hp engine seems to be a big factor when i race every tc so far. and my car only has 142lbs of torque.

 

i think that the purpose of getting a supercharger is to get more power, but why not get more with turbo......i would rather go a turbo set up and if the turbo messes up my car, i would take it back to the turbo place that sold me the item and argue that it broke my car......not to metion, pre-order turbo prices are cheaper and have more horsepower and torque than superchargers