When do you SHIFT?
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Originally Posted by rosedaleny806
Originally Posted by Domo
Originally Posted by jonathan110987
Originally Posted by Domo
People barley ride on first gear for more then a few seconds. I understand if our ride was an Honda with high RPMs but its not. Toyotas never came with much RPMs to begin with. I would think riding on first for 2/3 of a block is much more harm then starting out on 2nd. First is very short for our ride.
i have a toyota...
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Originally Posted by claiborne03
Well, i shift @ 2500 rpm...no lag....depends how experienced u are...my full tank can take up to 4 weeks. house- work @ 10 miles back and forth.
cause if its 10 then ur driving 50 miles a week... so ur tank lasts about 200 miles in 4 weeks..
i drive 50 miles a day. but my tank lasts about 300-320 miles
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Originally Posted by Domo
Its ok that you thought I rode on my clutch but let me be clear that I didnt. I can take off in second under 2 RPMs which is not riding the clutch. Second just because someone makes something does not mean it needs to be used on all occasions. We need first gear for many situations like going up hill or towing something. I just prefer not to use it when I dont need it. Its my preference, ya can use your fifth gear all you want. Maybe I would use it more if I had a turbo but I dont so its smooth sailing for me.
Isn't it bad to start on 2nd with VVTI? I always thought it adapts to your driving style. So being that, won't it be bad if you start from 2nd most of the time? When you need the 1st gear, wouldn't it give you less output?
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^^ good point, we need some clarification!! cause I know the ECU is constantly learning fuel curves, so that would probably effect the first gear when you really need it.. but I have no idea lol
Well I don't know about the factory manual but the Man-Law manual clearly states in section 7 paragraph 4 subset 9-2
-Ye must take thy whip into the redzone at all times, also known as the danger zone.
that means 6250rpm or bust, my friend
-Ye must take thy whip into the redzone at all times, also known as the danger zone.
that means 6250rpm or bust, my friend
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check your owners manual, it actually tells you not to move away from a stop in 2nd gear.
look, if we didn't need 1st gear, and could just move away from a stop in 2nd gear, then the 2nd gear ratio would be the ratio used for 1st gear, and the rest of the ratios would be changed accordingly.
for people who don't know, not using 1st gear is mainly something for manual transmission pick-up trucks with really high torque. when they are not towing something, they start out in 2nd gear, but when towing a heavy load, they use 1st gear.
so domo, toyota, the company that designed, engineered, and built your car tells you that it is best to use 1st gear. if you think you know better than they do, you should just build your own car i suppose.
look, if we didn't need 1st gear, and could just move away from a stop in 2nd gear, then the 2nd gear ratio would be the ratio used for 1st gear, and the rest of the ratios would be changed accordingly.
for people who don't know, not using 1st gear is mainly something for manual transmission pick-up trucks with really high torque. when they are not towing something, they start out in 2nd gear, but when towing a heavy load, they use 1st gear.
so domo, toyota, the company that designed, engineered, and built your car tells you that it is best to use 1st gear. if you think you know better than they do, you should just build your own car i suppose.
I should but i dont have the sources too but hey manuals in general tell people to wear seat belts at all times but im sure plenty of people dont wear there seat beats. Maybe they should make there own cars too. The point is, its my preference to take off at 2nd. What can I say, thats what I like. If you dont want to do what I do, then dont..simple as that. I know my where my engagement points are so I firmly feel that im not doing any major harm to my transmission, clutch, flywheel, engine, and so on.
Originally Posted by Sciontized
Originally Posted by Domo
Its ok that you thought I rode on my clutch but let me be clear that I didnt. I can take off in second under 2 RPMs which is not riding the clutch. Second just because someone makes something does not mean it needs to be used on all occasions. We need first gear for many situations like going up hill or towing something. I just prefer not to use it when I dont need it. Its my preference, ya can use your fifth gear all you want. Maybe I would use it more if I had a turbo but I dont so its smooth sailing for me.
Isn't it bad to start on 2nd with VVTI? I always thought it adapts to your driving style. So being that, won't it be bad if you start from 2nd most of the time? When you need the 1st gear, wouldn't it give you less output?
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