well, i know people talk smack about deawoo motors, and i know a guy who makes right around 250 whp on his lanos. he catches a lot of people off guard on that car. don't be so sure as to what en engine can do. people with money can surprise you.

 

oh that's true. but speaking on the whole . or generally actually is the norm.



there's always exceptions. i'm sure someone could take the crappiest motor of all time and make it amazing if they totally canged it , lol

 

oh that's true. but speaking on the whole . or generally actually is the norm.



there's always exceptions. i'm sure someone could take the crappiest motor of all time and make it amazing if they totally changed it , lol

 

well, i think that's the point turbo toyotas is trying to make. it's not as solid a starting platform as other cars, but there is the potential to make it a 300whp daily driver if you've got the funds to do it correctly.

 

no... i don;'t tink it'll be 300 dailable. 300 max or so yeah/ just me though

 

i believe the motor could handle it, do the work to make it have that much horsepower and its gunna stand up or it would break right away, if its built right your not gunna hurt it. the only time ive heard of these motors gettin hurt is when the wrist pin goes and then everything follows, they make parts to upgrade the internals, you do that along with whatever else, itll stand up. if its gunna blow it blow in the first couple hundred if that, miles. i know it may not be the same, but i used to race jr. drags. 5hp lawnmowers, bored as much as possible runnin on alcohol getin, 75-80, and now near the 90-100 mark, and the only reason the would go is that they had no type of cooling systems. the 1nz will stand up im sure. but hey what do i know, im just a kid

 

but didnt you have to replace parts after parts when you did jr. drag......5hp Briggs has nothing but, piston, rod, pin, crank, flywheel...basically.........but when it comes to the full blown motor of a car its on a whole nother level........i also know what jr. drags could do(run 10s) but yea when car engines you have alot more things to worry about then just the pins..........

 

yeah we replaced things but once their replaced, then it ran forever i never lost an engine. lol btw the fastest ones run 7.90's. and i mentioned changing all the parts too. once you build a motor its built, and itll last. yeah if you just put rods pistons and pins and try to run 300+ hp your gunna blow that thing the first hundred miles but if you want that much hp im sure youll want to replace everything.

 

its all in tuning PERIOD! power, reliability, its all in tuning..

build the motor, pick your horsepower/turbo.. tune it and its endless possibilities..

 

you will need to replace bearings every 10,000 miles with 300whp.
after rods, pins, pistons there isnt anything else we can do to the engines, whos going to go and get a steel crank next?... no one will, who is going to get custom one off cams made?... no one

does anyone know what the spec of the valve springs are? can we use valves from another cars aftermarket back catalogue?
also new valves will need to be made to take over 300whp

 

I thinking that you need to add a fuel mangament. Im not sure of how many people out there are just willing to buy a bolt on turbo kit to bolt it up and have mad probs with thier car. Remember theres that warning on blenders because of certain kinds of poeple. The kit looks good but the price seems a little steep with no fuel manage. know what I mean?

 

hotbox, please dont take this the wrong way, but what have you done to one of these motors to determine that it is not as "well built" as any honda motor? Have you first hand gone through the internals, or even pushed one of these motors to the level of breaking?

I know i havent, ulthough i am in the process.

I think that as usual, people on this board are taking a great new view on the scion community/ industry just to be shot down.

The fact that a new company is taking interest in REAL performance and not bolt on intakes is phenomenal all on its own.

One thing to keep in minds is that any time power is increased or a vehicle is tuned, daily drivability/ reliabilitty is lost. It doesent matter whether you boost 20hp or 200hp, in the end you will run into problems. While there can be a fine balance of the two, you need to decide on a personal level what is right for you. If your looking to get 300hp out of your scion, chances are its not your only form of transportation, or daily driver for that matter. I know plenty of people who are pushing WELL over 600 to the wheels in there 3sgte, and they probably could drive it daily, but they dont.

If you have the money, you think things through.

...again im not bashing you hotbox, and im nnot singleing you out either, just kind of shedding some light on whats rapidly turning into a negative board.

Todd's intentions are right. His knowledge is there, and he has the skills to make these kits right, and thats why they come at the cost of a few extra pennies.

If your gunna boost, this is the route to go, its not some back-yard opperation.

 

very well said. ill be happy wit the hp that the kit creates right now. cuz hell if i really wana go fast i have a 60' ranchero wit a 302 so im good. :p

 

Everyone has brought up some good points, and a few I will touch on, but this one says it best...

Tuning is where its at, and currently we do not have many options to "tune" the cars correctly. There is the AEM EMS and after that you get into big $$$(Motec, Autronic).
The methods to tune(Greddy Emanage, SAFC, UNICHIP etc) are all band aids. But we don't have much choice at the moment, but with time that will change.

I get asked all the time," Is your turbo kit reliable", I say yes but then follow with what are you going to tune with? Usually the answer I get is just a blank stare or a silent pause on the phone. Anyone who is considering going a forced inducted route needs to do more research into how to make the kit work , than they do on the kit itself. If the kit is using good components, then the "part" issue of the equation is taken care of, the other part of the "equation" is the tuning aspect. A turbo kit is only as reliable as the tune and what you are using to make the tune. (as long as you do oil changes and check ups)

But the days of seeing xA's and xB's rolling around on a daily basis making 250-300+ whp are getting closer. Its a natural progression. AND IT WILL HAPPEN. The SCION community is a young one, we have allot to learn.
The fun has just begun.....

Regards

Todd

 

Granted Rods and pistons will take us into the 400whp mark, those who want more(and there will be) can always have the block sleeved...

Why would you have to replace the bearings after 10,000 miles?

Cranks have been made and so have the cams......just cause its not "public" knowledge yet doesn't mean it hasn't happened or in the works...These days its all about cutting edge and having been the 1st to do this and that. To be the 1st you have to keep it a secret until its time to let the cat out of the bag so to speak.
There are allot of development costs in these parts, so they will eventually be released to public as that development money needs to be recouped + some.



There is valvetrain available...valves, springs etc. I am suprised the companies making them haven't been discovered yet...


Not really, if you have full control of the "tune" you can control cylinder pressure, thus decreasing the chance of loosing a valve.

 

Any car using any form of forced induction needs fuel management.

If you are referring to my kit (which I think you were) I don't want to dictate what my customers use to tune there cars. I have recommendations, and by no means can you run the kit without some sort of way to add fuel.

My kit is already the most expensive one on the market. The price is dictated by the components I use. If for conversations sake I was to sell some sort of managment with my kit.......there is only on I would use, and that is the AEM EMS. With that said, you can only imagine what the price of my kit would be......

Regards-

Todd

 

yeah mayeb a scion motor will be dailable with 300 hp but 10+ grand sure sucks when 10 g's in a honduh could do so much more. and I HATE HONDUH.

 

LOL..you are 100% correct there..I have been on the Honda side of things now for 14 years. And allot has changed over that time.

But the Honda guys started from nothing(granted the motors right out of the box are better) and look what they have now. We just started.

Plus there is nothing I'd love to see more than a 300hp xB go suprise the #$%@ out of a 300 hp Civic.

+ we are just talking about forced induction, wait until the motor swaps start coming..........then its a whole nother ball game.

 

That's what I'm waiting for. legal power. and better starting points.


eh kinda , lol


once the greddy s/c gets carb approved it'll be my temporary fix until I motorswap.

 

Todd i know what u mean about development costs are high for one off things like cams and crank.

i was looking into getting cams made but it wasnt viable for the HP increase to cost ratio

and i have had my crank balanced, in the hope it will last a little longer.

i dont like having to run stock bearings on a motor making over %200 extra power.

also the companies with valve springs available? who are they?

also i am in the UK so scion development parts are not easy for me to hear about only from what i read on the forums.