Actually there is no consistency with how the buildings fell, the planes didn't even dead center them-it wouldn't have caught the central supports in any way other than to knock them sideways and topple the building-there would be no demolition style falling. Baically if you actually use an ability to think and aren't so enthralled with your ability to argue you would realize that if buildings just fell that way there would be no need for demolition crews at all.

I cannot believe that you are that sucked in to the theory "that's the way things get done" and "that's the way things work" that you miss the corrpution with the money systems that incorporate the IRS and the central banking system.
I really doubt I am the only one that the IRS has made a mistake with and even though it takes them years to pay it out once they have been made aware they did admit that these clerical errors cause a lot of problems that never get sorted out.

I am also assuming by the fistsclenched moniker you choose to fight other than think-it sure shows here

 

xFistsClenchedx wrote:
I'm not going to hunt for garbage "evidence" I know isn't true. I already know the truth.


HeathenBrewing How is life under that rock?

Im done here. You obviously have no desire to look at things that dont fit into the mold of what you call "truth".

Oh, I guess I should have just copied this true statement earlier

 

I am using my ability to think. When they took out the center support structure of that floor, the weight of the floor was resting on the outside of the building which is why the outside of the building was bowing outward which is easily seen in any 9/11 photos. Computer simulations created by researchers verify all of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cddIgb1nGJ8

After the heat from the plane weaken the structure some more, it gave and the building pancaked. As people who know things about fire and building structures have said, if the twin towers hadn't been a steel framed structure then the building never would have came down. There is ZERO evidence of explosives at the crash site. If explosives had been used, they would have found evidence of their use.



I am thinking. Making up accusations and false facts that support your own messed up theory about our government isn't thinking. The IRS has been around since the 1800s. It's not going anywhere. It's not evil.

 

NORAD was unusually prepared on 9/11, because it was conducting an exercise in which jets were set to intercept rogue aircraft. Ironic it is, that the government stated they had no idea planes would be used for terrorist attacks.

On September 12, 2001, there was due to take place the second part of an exercise known as Operation Tripod, set up to "test the plan to distribute antibiotics to the entire city population during a bioterrorism attack". Richard Sheirer, director of the New York City mayors Office of Emergency Management (OEM), had hired "over 1,000 Police Academy cadets and Fire Department trainees to play terrified civilians afflicted with various medical conditions, allergies, and panic attacks."

Hmmmm....interesting.

 

And what of WTC7, which was NOT hit by a plane. According to the government, fires, primarily, leveled this building, but fires have never before or since destroyed a steel skyscraper. It fell in the EXACT manner as the 2 main towers, straight down (pancake) and fell in a tidy pile centered around the vertical axis of the former building. It was almost entirely within the footprint of the former building.

Hmmm.....

 

Peter Jennings interviewed Marlene Cruz, a carpenter injured in one of the pre-collapse explosions in the WTC sub-basement level B long before the planes hit the towers. Cruz reported he heard 2 explosions.

Hundreds of professional engineers and architects, working independently of the government, have made statements and produced original research on the use of explosives and controlled demolition in the WTC on 9/11. For example, William Rice, BS CE, MS CE, PE -- Licensed Professional Engineer, State of Vermont.

Additionally, "pancaking" violates Newton's Law of Conservation of Momentum that would require that as the stationary inertia of each floor is overcome by being hit, the mass (weight) increases and the free-fall speed decreases. Even if Newton's Law is ignored, the prevailing theory would have us believe that each of the Twin Towers inexplicably collapsed upon itself crushing all 287 massive columns on each floor while maintaining a free-fall speed as if the 100,000, or more, tons of supporting structural-steel framework underneath didnt exist.

 

I have seen this movie several times. Im actually glad to see that other homiez on the SL network have become aware of this movie. If anyone else on SL is like me about things like this, I watched the movie and had to do some research. I came across this book "The Christ Conspiracy, The greatest story ever sold"

http://www.truthbeknown.com/christ.htm

This book goes into great detail about the subject of the movie.
The author definetly did her homework and I highly recomend everyone who is a reader to read it.
Knowledge is power my freinds. I couldnt stress how important it is to be informed about everything you put faith in. The problem with religion is that people place such a "blind" faith in it more then the reality of life itself.


I myself am not an atheist, However what I beleive is completely logical and simple.
The problem with religion is that people put there trust in what some MAN said and not in GOD.

If you do some research you will find answers just dont be afraid af the answers you unfold.
SEEK AND YOU SHALL FIND my homiez!

If you wake up tomorrow and its just you, everyone vanished into thin air and now its just you and Earth??????? Wich religion is the right one? Are you commiting a sin if no one is here to justify your behavior? What will you wear to church? What if you cant speak english and the only copy of the Bible is written in arabic? What then?
Does god just laugh at your situation? ................no.
If you cut all the BS out of everything in your life you find happiness and Love. I beleive in the same god that every religion does. I just have learned to cut all the BS out of it.
So many wars and lives lost because of religion, I dont know about you but I highly doubt that GOD wants us to fight let alone kill one another. If money is the root of all evil, why should I feel guilty if I dont participate in tithing?
Does GOD want us to be afraid of him? some say yes you should have the fear of god? why would he want us to be afraid of him?

Ok Im done now cuz Ill keep on going and going.
Freinds it comes down to what you believe, if you have to question something in your life to make YOU feel better about yourself then you have every right to question it.
Why would GOD make everything so complicated while we are here?
Man complicates things, if its one freedom we will never have taken away from us it is the freedom to think.

Beleive in what makes you sleep better at night



one love

 

PS. Check out infowars.com

 

That is basically where I was headed in my overly simplified version as far as believe and do good and that is what there is.

I totally agree that religion is a farce in itself. I beleive that there are messages that we receive through religous channels (quite literally sometimes-haven't you just not been able to sleep, end up turning on something that seems so meant for you personally-sometimes a message through a religous program) but to blindly believe and follow 'like he said' MAN is wgainst all the beliefs. If the holy spirit is in you why would they need propaganda to get you to church or to tithe-wouldn't you be lead the right direction if you are doing what is best and right within your heart (not your lust and desire areas)

I think the whole point as far as if there is no one there to point the finger then how do you judge for yourself what you are doing-are you doing the right thing? I believe that is similar to "god is watching', but it isn't a threat just something to help you find the right in a situation (something that is actually inside of you anyway)

I don't beleive tithing means give to your local church specifically. Some poeple tithe by helping someone who needs a hand, feeding stray animals with food they buy or helping cover the living costs for someone who needs the help.

If you visit a church and they have a message for you (like the situation above) then sure, why not give, but it should not be out of fear, fear of social stigmas like being cheap, or because that is what you are supposed to do.

I completely believe that with peace and love (not hippes, drugs and blatant sexual satisfaction) the answers are within.


Sorry about that last line-not sure how to say it in short without it sounding so bumper sticker like.

 

yea i was watchin that over the weekend. the thing about the federal reserve really had me baffled.

 

I totally believe that anybody can find information to prove whatever their point is-people believe what they want to believe (if they don't see it or don't want to see it than it doesn't exist and thay are right) but to anybody that actually looks, researches and cross references with a non-biased and open eye the treachery will become apparent.

 

 

watching movie on my second monitor.

Did not read this entire thread. Will do to catch up later.

So far, movie is a bunch of baseless crap.

 

Maybe I'm post-test drunk... well.. no... not maybe... but this really struck me..

I lol'd.

 

It just boggles me that people will accept any statement as flat-out truth. If I told you that Amaterasu, the japanese "goddess of the sun", was born of a virgin on Dec. 25th... you'd believe me... or do a quick wikipedia search to find it's B.S., or true, however you like to interpret it. The point is, several will take it as face value, and the statement itself becomes almost a validation of "my knowledge," since the average person can't refute it. A moronic train of thought, yet one utilized by a countless number of individuals trying to sway public opinion. It doesn't matter if it's baseless, it only matters that it was said!

As for the movie...I'll just do one for example...

Egyptians celebrate the birth of Horus on December 21st, not the 25th. Makes sense, doesn't it? The winter solstice... the shortest day of the year... from here on out, the days get longer! Wow, what a coinkidink! Not to mention any of the other deities listed.

In addition, let's throw in the fact that December 25th was chosen ARBITRARILY by the early church, due to the Roman celebration of Solis Invicti, which was an established pagan holiday. The thinking was, people wouldn't have to change their dates of celebration, just simply what they were celebrating!

What's sad is... anyone who's at least PARTIALLY studied the bible's origins would know this... but hey... let's drink the Kool Aid.

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If you want to believe that there was some deeper conspiracy, some "watchers" or "secret rulers" of the world... fine... the only thing I can say with honesty, and with a touch of humor, is that your life is a bit more "interesting" than mine. If you need that to help you sleep at night... enjoy!

 

I've read like half of the responses, watched that movie and other sites/videos/statements/blah blah.

The zeitgeist movie IS NOT 100% true, not even 90%. If you look at the broader aspect of it and see how your life fits it, you can witness that they do want to slap you across the face so you wake up, because you are living certain changes (shown in FEAR below).

Many things in it have been proven false, like the molten steel theory. As far as religion, when the mystic part of your brain is filled up, it is hard to prove with facts/reason/sense that they are false because the men who wrote the bible stated that the main source has to be believed without proof, and people believe it. Saying so and so god was also born by a virgin and stuff like that cannot be believed until a real source is shown, however. Reasoning can show you that the bible is just a good book for everyday life. there is no proof of any story happening literally. Is there a God? I believe so.

The website on the molten steel in page 2 i think? loses most credibility about myths when it uses mainstream media (newspapers and such) as sources. The media IS controlled by the government, though many theorists exaggerate on the matter.

As for 9/11, it is just as WWI, WWII, Vietnam, etc. The U.S. knows their boundaries, brakes them and bothers other places with the excuse of democracy (funny how all these countries had a big chunk of interest by the U.S. and the FED as shown below), and then when they get on every1's last nerve, they become sheep attacked by wolves and convince everyone that they are innocent and must go to war (see FED below) to protect their people (AKA gettin thousands to millions of people to die in war). Bin Laden is only the face of terrorism, not the real group fighting the war.

The FED: In zeitgeist there is history about the Federal Reserve system. You don't need many facts to know that it is CORRUPT. if there are 10 dollar bills printed with interest, you can NEVER pay back that interest because there was nothing else printed BUT those 10 dollar bills! that keeps people in debt. So, in this capitalist country, you gotta be better than your comptitor to really free yourself from debt (which means your big paycheck makes some else in more debt). The government doesnt have the cash to go to war (cuz most of it is used in the media and the "people behind the curtain" 's great great grandson's college funds and sports car), so they have so borrow from the Fed. That means that the Fed can charge more interest and therefore get more profits from these loans (as regular banks do). A little check is given to those in charge of the wars to keep them goin on longer so that the government has to keep borrowing. Who pays for this interest? YOU: the income tax that is nowhere legalized in the lawbook of this country. Sure it pays for roads, schools, etc, but its not the only govt source of funding.

FEAR: it is how to convince millions of people to accept an idea. It is how the U.S. entered most if not all wars they have been in, it is how we keep people feeling unsafe without the government's policies:
The Homeland Security is COMPLETELY unconstitutional. If you feel unsafe, invest in a bodyguard or move to a secluded island haha. The government could easily stop attacks with their communications technology. Without any approval, the Bush administration passed this so they can search your home and arrest you without any warrant or real proof of being guilty, all assuming you are a terrorist. This makes you think 10 times before speaking against them.
The Patriot Act says bye-bye to freedom of speech to one another, but not directly. You can say you hate Bush, laugh, and even say what he is doing. But if you contemplate with a group of people about doing something about it, you're screwed. Why would the government need to keep people separated? theories won't make people rebel. Seeing and living what is happening can.
No Child Left Behind: everyone with a sense in mind knows that it is not only useless, but harmful. Why would a superpower like the U.S. have such a low educational level?
Media: Helps make you stupid by having great, useless shows and so much entertainment (ex: look at most rap today). Helps you not think for yourself, but agree to what is being said. Helps fear spread out easily. Helps you be overloaded with useless information/events when there is something real going on.

LOOK HERE: a congress candidate himself spoke about what is going on regarding new laws and plans for America (like the NAU and the amero). He wont be voted for, but he did use his voice to inform people. He, along with the zeitgeist producers, are not being paid by companies or any1 to use their voice. no ads or popups in the site.

I'm from Mexico but don't confuse me with the average worker. I also did better in my english classes in high school than a lot of born citizens (and I'm not all that great). Anyways, there is so much to know about American corruption in Latin America and as you can see, the Middle East. If you think the U.S. stopped Spain and Britain from going there to free the slaves, you're WRONG. America has been buying out every raw resource and now even buying big companies to control their economies. Americanization forces cheap labor and the people dont have anywhere else to work. The governments are full of sold out people who let the U.S. do as they please with the economy.

What are they doing in the Middle East as they set up "democratic" governments? the SAME THING. You can have your cheaper gas when it is all over, but many, many people died in the process.

 

NO DAMNIT keep going only post i was able to read through all the way

 

This thread is full of terrible examples of too much tv and not enough reading, common sense and studying Give me some money, I will make a movie to convince you all that we came from alien dogs and the government is trying to cover it up. And I will get rich off of it!

Whats sad is that there are some interesting and compelling conspiracy ideas out there.. but they are buried by the 911 and similar ones. The kids (which a LOT of them are) that try to push the 911 conspiracy have been handed actual fact many times, but ignore it and dance around it to enable their version of what they want to be truth. And lets just say that explosives WERE used.... why does it have to be an inside job? Why do some stop at no ends to prove that our govt is the biggest evil in the world and that they are just out to get us? Why do some of these morons feel that it is so bad to be supportive of our country at all? Hell, I dont trust any govt completely, but some of these people really are off the deep end.

ANY catastrophe can and will be turned into some big conspiracy that our government created, by some group of loons. It gives them reason to live I guess. Too bad that all the wolf crying idiots do take the attention and credibility away from the things we should really be looking into.

Oh well.. if it keeps the bumper sticker people and crazies busy, I guess it isnt all bad

 

It's nice to finally see some common sense in this thread.

 

I want to get to know engifineer-he has the inside stories no one else does....

So what you're saying is that it's not an inside job but that security is so bad that someone managed to haul in literally tons of explosives, strap them to the main columns of support and wire them with no one noticing.

Oh, or is it that whoever designad and built the buildings did it incorrectly and marred the steel in such a way that they would fall just as though a domilition crew had done it professionally-and the last tower that wasn't hit fell out of fear because the building psychologist didn't give it enough counseling

Or are you saying that the books you read are not in anyway tampered with and are absolutely accurate-you have those privileged books with no wrong wrods or non-truth in them.

I believe the government is absolutely corrupt on many levels. I don't necessarily believe that everyone in the government is corrupt. I believe that a lot of peole bury their heads until they are enronized.