The mainstream hated the original Scions... Most of the people on this forum like JDM, they like small japanese cars, they like the boxy xB, and yet they (mostly) don't like this concept. What does that tell you?

BTW, sales translate into success.

-THE DON

 

Correct, sales do translate to success. Did you realize that those sales have dropped drastically though since the debut of the new xb and xd.

Quit pretending Scion is as popular as it once was, so far it's been a two trick pony with the original xb and the tc. Scion is no longer the success it once was. Nor is it even original now, this new box on wheels is rediculous.

 

You are correct, Jsa3mm, that Scion may not be interested in retaining those who are already customers.

Look at the xB2, which was designed in very direct response to those who did not like the original xB.

Remember: If you keep asking the same question: "What should we change?" about the original, you are getting the answers from those who are dissatisfied with it.

"What should we absolutely NOT change?" was never asked, so they were not after the opinions of the satisfied customer.

BUT, there is a big difference (or should be, at least) between the experimental brand trying to draw new customers into Toyota, and the "Big Picture" view of the larger company.

Scion is investing a lot in attracting new younger customers into Toyota brands. It is a stepping stone brand to attract 'em while they are young with the hope that they will stay with Toyota in future purchases.

Thing is, the planning wasn't completed, the plan wasn't thought through.

OK, Scion is attracting new and young customers. Check.

Scion is changing up designs to attract more new and young customers. Check.

Toyota is offering upgrade models in the same classes for the Scion customers to step up to. Uh, hello? Anybody home?

After investing so much into attracting and making happy new customers to the Toyota brand, Toyota is turning around and WASTING that effort by not offering anything to replace the discontinued models in their niches.

Would the original xB owners by an "upgraded xB-like City Car" from Toyota? I'll bet they would, and therefore be further solidified as "Toyota Customers" who would lean toward Toyota as their preferred brand for life. Is there anything even remotely like that in any Toyota line in the US? Hell no.

Toyota needs to follow through and take advantage of the fantastic wins Scion made in attracting those new young customers.

Don't just let Scion test the waters to see what will fly, when something is found, take advantage of it!

You want those City Car customers to be customers for life, Toyota, not just one shot buying an inexpensive car that caught their imagination.

Don't kust kick those customers to the curb. Offer them something to buy. If you don't, eventually someone else WILL, and you have lost everything that Scion gained you.

The lights are on at HQ, is anybody there, or have they all gone out to a celebratory lunch that Scion did so well on it's first outing without cementing the deal?

Would the Hako sell if introduced? Most likely, if some basic Real World™ redesign were cranked in to make it more than a cartoon car for people to mod.

Would I buy one? No, not even if I like the final design: It doesn't meet my needs.

Hopefully the corporate folks really ARE listening, and not just listening, but thinking.

Sorry for the interruption - back to tearing apart the Hako, folks!

 

Tomas, they did ask what not to change. They kept the box shape, which is utilitarian in nature, allowing for the most possible room in the smallest exterior space (i know you'll argue that it could be MORE square, and yes there was compromise).

They also kept ipod jacks, power windows and locks, pioneer audio, pure price, vsc and trac.

 

^^^ but there are those who were hell bent in killing Scion for making the xB2 ... now the same are screaming again about the Hako.

IMO everyone here who has nothing nice to say should trade their Scions in and get a Hyundai. Oh .. thats right, most would be upside down cause Scion was the only ones a few years back to give those who had no credit or bad credit a break and let them have a new car. Growing up, i didn not have that luxury ... i had the family beater, a 1985 Toyota Tercel. Now all these spoiled brats are crying that the Hako is the next tC replacement when Scion never made that statement. What they dont realize is that if they would just quite their crying and listen they would understand that the Fuse they all charish and love will probably be on show room floors sooner then later. But no .. lets all chime in and b*tch and whine on how Scion isnt being Scion any more. Scion was created on the thought process of doing something different and making it affordable. Proving to young Americans that once you get into one and see the quality of Toyota that in theory this will carry you over with your next purchase.

Scion is getting back to their roots. They F*ed up with the xB2 and the xD is falling to the same fate as the xA. But everyone is allowed to make a mistake every once and a while. Cut'em a break.

And to all those saying they are headed to Hyndai and thier Genesis ... i suggest highly you check and see how much your insurance and car payments are going to be. 300+ HP and RWD ... be prepared to pay for it. But you all thought of that, right?

 

This car imo cud never replace the tc, but if its just another in the line up then hell yea, its extremely unique and I wud get one, but I thnk every1 was just expecting, a real coupe, sporty car, not a variation of the box.

 

...and round wheels, and glass windows, and paint, and seats, and...

I hear what you are saying, but does anyone at Toyota/Scion hear what I'm saying?

I really wonder, since I said nothing here I didn't say over a year ago - to them.

Heck, I can't even offer input to Scion's "Surveys" since they can't be bothered to hire companies with competent programmers to design 'em...

THIS is what I get when linking to their Surveys:

W3C <===

Sorry, you pushed the wrong button. I'll be quiet now.

 

yeah and how much more is the insurance on that mazdaspeed over the tc.

and that mazdaspeed weighs more than your tc did.

the problem with cars that are monsters from the fsctory is the extra price , extra insurance , the stigma that the cars get when idiots that cannot drive buy thrm , crash them and ruin the insurance rates for others looking at the car.


because of idiots who cannot drive and crash their cars evolutions and sti's are out of reach because of their severly bloated insurance premiums. much more than what they should be for a 300hp 4 door vehicle.

 

i cant believe scion came out with this thing

i mean Kia is coming out with an awesome looking car

KIA PEOPLE!!!

i mean, my head is spinning that kia and Hyundai have out did scion

i never even had those 2 companies in my mind till this year

I love my MR2 and my Yaris but scion is losing a lot of ground the past year.

god, even GM is putting out the Volt

it seems that by 2009 - 2010 the car companies we all thought sucked have totally did a 180 degree turn and are looking really good again.

If i was in the market for a new car i would be checking out :eekkkkkk: kia and Hyundai

 

And this is different from the way its ALWAYS BEEN how..? Fast Cars have ALWAYS meant higher insurance premiums.. its just the way it is.. As for the difference in cost about 70 bucks on my payment and 20 bucks on my insurance.. soooo I still don't see your argument well at least not applying to myself.

I drive my MS3 like an old lady 95% of the time, but the power is there when I want it to be. I bought this car to NOT spend more money modding cars (even though I have already started again on the MS3 haha) but anyhow, I agree with this post below..




CarbonXe wrote:
tC owners want something faster, sportier..90% of comments made by tC owners in "what should Scion do to the tC next" threads, are : 6 Speed, RWD, V6. I know those things are impossible to have under $20,000, but maybe Scion should look a little further. tC owners usually go from a tC to something like an S2000, 350Z, Evo...or even Civic Si or MazdaSPEED 3.


*raises hand* As a tC owner, yup, you're right on the money. I think that the hardest part for scion is that they had a lot of initial success with the xA/xB/tC. Now they're trying to do 2nd gen vehicles, they're having an almost impossible time matching the success of the first ones (think about how movie sequels are almost guaranteed to be worse than the original). They have to not only appease the current group of scion owners, but they also have to try to draw in new buyers to grow the brand. I bought a tC 3.5 years ago, and it was the perfect car for me at that time. Cheap, fun, awesome value, reliable and fast enough for me. Scion succeeded in it's goal of roping in new buyers to Toyota.

However now, a few years later, when I go looking for a car I'm probably not going to be looking at any of the current crop of Scions, but much, much worse, I'm not interested in any of the new Toyota's that are out now either. I want a small, turbo hatchback in the low-20s. Something a little more "grown-up" than the current tC, nicer interior, lighter weight and a nice fast turbo engine. Think Mazdaspeed3, Mini Cooper S, GTI, new Fiat Abarth 500 (if they ever bring it here, PLEEASE!!), etc. Scion was originally designed to be the entry for new buyers to Toyota, but there's NOTHING to fill the gap between small, cheap, funky Scion and expensive, stodgy, OLD Toyota.

Toyota *needs* that turbo hatchback, they *need* a RWD coupe, they *need* an economical, low 20s v6 small sedan, they *need* a funky small pickup truck. They just don't have to be Scions. Fine, keep Scion as the sub-18k, small, funky economical cars that people love. Just offer SOMETHING from Toyota to fill in that gap between the two brands. Would any of the people clamoring for a small v6 sedan complain if it was a Toyota? Maybe do a small, turbo hatchback under the lexus name (a la RSX)?

I hope that Scion corporate is reading this thread, and realizes that sometime's they're almost trying too hard to reach too many people. In trying to reach that small family demographic, they pretty much destroyed the xB. In trying to get that premium hatchback buyer, they alienated the people who bought the xA for its low price and it's great gas mileage. In trying to make things funky again, they may have just ____ed off any of their current tC owners (if this replaces the tC)?

Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox now. If Scion Corp is reading this, make the new Hako a little more palatable (some of the raked photochop concepts in this thread look great!), keep it as a TINY two door (wheelbase is 94.5", so that's the old xA/xB platform?), and either drop a reworked 1.5/1.6 or maybe even the 1.8, and have it be a fun, small, great little two door with some character. Hopefully it'll come in at that 2400lb mark or so, and it'd probably do very well.



I AGREE 10000000%

MY first car 1985 Corolla GTS aka AE86 aka Hachi Roku
My second car 1988 MR2 (AW11)
My third car 2006 Scion tC
My current car 2008 Mazdaspeed3

I see a progression here. Believe me I REALLY DO WISH THAT TOYOTA/SCION would bring back out a TURBO RWD/AWD Sports/Sporty Car/Cars. Especially with Subaru in thier stable to an extent... PLEASE dont misunderstand me.

 

oh I hear you , i've always liked n/a myself but i wouldn't knock a f/i car.

the Celica is supposed to be rwd when it comes back. YUM


and go look at insurance rates for sti and evo or hell even jus a wrx for a 25 or under male.

SCREWED , tis why the only guys that young with em are using parents money or drug money

 

yeah it ____es me off around here cause there are quite a number of Teens/early 20's running around in riced out STi's and Evo's and Im like WTF.. too much damn Fast and Furious and Magazine racers...if you're going to mod, use TASTE.. not RICE. But I guess to each his own.. anyway I hear what your saying 100% I wish Toyota had an Mazdaspeed3 of thier own but they don't. Maybe in a few years when Im ready to trade up again we will see whats around.


Here ya go, fresh outta Best Car Mag, Japan.. yet ANOTHER rendering of a new Toyota Sup.../Cel...
something..
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080314....pra-renderings

 

Everything i've been reading and hearing from toyota corp guys is that the ft-hs is the new supra. but who knows.

 

I don't like it.

 

let's hope so

 

wtf? thats all i have to say.. i'll decide if i like it another time. Scion confused me.

 

Can't decide if I almost don't like it or just about hate it. Think I like the FUSE better. Orange IS one of my favorite car colors though Still wanna meet a Nissan Cube when they arrive. Hako is a bit of a stretch, even for Scion...

 

oh shart! HELLZ YEA !!!

The new concept GOTHBOX!!!!!

 

Well, I love the copen I saw in this thread, and the concept minibus...thats about it im afraid. Scion, your new design full on sucks. I cant believe you made something worse than the XB2.

 

The tC is hardly a monster, but it's got this stigma in spades....

The Hako takes the gen 2 xB's "trying too hard to be cool" to a whole new level. The lighting in a bottle that was the original xB is gone forever and never coming back. Toyota needs to realize this and make a car that stands on it's own merits as a "good" car and doesn't rely on unconventional styling.

You mean to tell me there is no way they can cobble together that new AE86 that everyone wants on the cheap from the parts bin? How about a new tC with less weight, more structural integrity and a six speed. I'll live with FWD and generic engine as long as it doesn't rattle and they put it on a diet.

As of now there isn't a single Scion/Toyota/Lexus model that I would consider for my next car.