370z start at $30k not $38k.

I don't care if LoveFab was world racing. The tubo kit's price in relation to the price of the car is what I was looking at. A 350z brand new is more expensive than a GenCoupe is brand new, yet a Twin Turbo setup on a Z is cheaper. And your comparison if off.

LoveFab @ $5k does not include, exhaust (which shouldn't even be factored in), Injectors or Management.

PTuning @ $4,899 comes with EVERYTHING need to make the car boosted and running. + Exhaust then $5,591

LoveFab with everything + exhaust = $7,199

 

First of evo and sti there is nothing to degrade cause they come mid 200whp range as opposed to 175hp of the genesis, cone awd as opposed to rwd of genesis , run 12's as opposed to the 15 sec genesis and can easily make over 400whp on stock turbo and tune. < raced my buddies evo that has that done. And yes cost more then a genesis but well worth it. And a gti with reflash is doo doo. I raced one with full bolt on and reflash and he got walked like it was standing still and that's when I was only on 13psi. If I had to pick out of those 5 cars the list will go like this
1. evo
2. Sti
3. Boosted scion tc
4.Genesis 2.0t
5. Gti (r32)
But like I have stated plenty of times to each his own.

 

Mustang and Camaro's are not sports cars. They are Pony Cars. The "Economy Version" of a sports car as you have labeled the 2.0t should be faster than my bone stock Scion tC, or even a "performance variant" of an Economy car.

Economy Version of a Sports car should be > than a Performance Variant of an Economy Car. But it's not.



All those listed have something the Gen Coupe 2.0t nor the 3.8 have. They all have prices that are acceptable for their performance based on their HP, Drivetrain layout and quality.

 

So the LoveFab kit @ $5,000 (the exhaust and fuel management at $2,200 is retarded overpriced, we both know that, so let's call it $6,200) for a $21k RWD car is outrageous. But the PTuning kit @ $4,900 for a $16,000 FWD car is omfgbbq? Where is the line drawn?

And my comparison wasn't off, I chose the $4,200 PTuning kit because it was the kit that didn't include the fuel management.

 

Really? You're going to try to take the Mustang and Camaro out of this because you don't classify them as sports cars? That still doesn't negate the fact that they have cheaper, more fuel efficient, slower versions.

Going based off magazine numbers, since that's the only thing we can go off of, since you haven't tried shaving seconds off your 1/4 mile runs in the Gen Coupe, the 2.0t is faster than the tC. The 2.0t has a much better chassis than the tC. The 2.0t has a much nicer interior than the tC. The 2.0t has a much better drivetrain than the tC. But you wouldn't know any of this, because you've never driven the Gen Coupe. Hell, I'd go as far as saying that you've never even sat inside one of them.

Since you've never driven the Gen Coupe, we can't talk price/quality/performance and compare it to other vehicles, because the interior quality of the GC surpasses the WRX/Evo by a long shot. But then again, you don't care about that, because you only buy cars based off magazine 1/4 mile times/msrp. Nor do you care about the retarded long warranty that Hyundai offers for the GC.





It's obvious that you dislike the car for some reason, probably the badge, so there's no reason to go back and forth like this. Like everyone else has said, everyone has different preferences.

 

I'm done and don't wish to exert any more energy on this. Its my opinion, ill stick with it. Even though I have a rebuttal to your comments, at this point the debate is like a dog chasing its tail and is not going to get anywhere. You are making up your own rules to make it seem better ($6,200 is not what they are asking), and that just does not fly with me.

 

Re-read my post, I added a bit at the end while you were typing your last post lol.

Today is a good day. No more Cburg. :banana: We should rejoice.

 

^^small edit above.

PS.....we don't race with interiors. Nor do I care about that when I'm thinking about squeezing extra hp out of the motor for the best value.

 

And you've gotta admit, Travis, it's a damn good looking car.

 

I'm not making up my own rules. They offer two versions of the kit. One for $5,000 and one for $7,200. Buying the $5,000 kit then venturing elsewhere for fuel/exhaust/tune is no different than buying the $4,200 PTuning kit and venturing elsewhere for fuel/exhaust/tune. That's exactly why both of these companies offer these two kits.

 

Let it go bro. I agree to disagree, pretty much on everything you just said. So, hand shake. Deal...

 

Agreed.

Like I said a while back, if I was going down the RWD path, it would be with a mid 90's Miata. Boost it, gut it, cage it. 1900 lbs, 40 MPG, convertible, 200whp...all wrapped up in a cute little car.

 

Just wanted to add to this whole thread. Whats left of it anyways, is that there is nothing more satisfying than building something yourself. Putting your own time and creativity in to something and making it your own, to me makes all the difference.
I am 27 and must have owned more than 14+ cars. Nothing all the crazy, I did at one time build a 1970 Chevelle SS, but it got real expensive and I was in school so it didn't quite work out. I will say that comming home from class and working on my car was some of the most fun times in my life. I went from that to a Mustang GT ( which was boring ) to an 06 RS2 tC to an 06 Dodge SRT-4 to my 09 xB. Modding is something that i have always loved doing. Either its for you or its not. There really is not middle ground. And in the end I thought i would buy this slow xB, so that i would not want to mod it. Boy was i wrong. Yeah i went ahead and boosted it. But it has been the best learning experience i could have asked for. I would do it all over in a heart beat.

 

It seems people still believe manufacturers are using turbos to increase hp when in actuality they are using them to increase MPG. When people realize that turbochargers are used for more than just power they'll stop comparing turbo to turbo believing they are equal when in fact they are not, it's how the turbo is used. I think Hyundai struck a perfect balance between the two, they could have easily gone for more power but they opted not to and it makes sense but they did leave the door open for massive aftermarket support.

The 2.0T was always meant to be the cheap version and appeal to enthusiast that planned on doing the upgrades to make it fast, actually they weren't even going to release it at all and stick with the 3.8 v6 since Genesis was going to be a separate brand, but opted not to.

 

Civic SI isn't turboed. And the tC isn't either. Personally that's what strikes a cord with me when I look at this car and what you are getting for the money.

 

omg drive what you drive some want nice interiors some dont some want quick stock 1/4miles some dont at the end of the day everybody in this thread is loves tC to death vs. tC is ___ and FWD.

:?

i got my tC b/c it was super cheap and i got alot of car for 12k 2 years ago mods are cheap and has huge aftermarket support and motor can handle lots of power stock

 

i will say this, spending 7200 on the love-fab kit (although awesome) kind of negates the fact that it was factory boosted, had there been an 18k non turbo version of the same motor with 160hp, the 7200 might make more sense.

when will dealerships start selling bare bone crate cars with only what you need, lol can you imagine a new car delivered to your house with no header/exhaust, no intake, no wheels, lol basically everything you would eventually replace, lmao you could save thousands on parts that you will end up scrapping on selling on craigslist for cheap

but i will say in the end the rwd makes the GC win over the tc in my eyes, even if the tc can be made to handle better, the fun factor of RWD just cant be matched, i have a blast driving my auto 02 is300, and its stock as hell!

 

^this is true my dad has a conquest or starion whatever you want to call it fun as hell to drive 220hp and close to 250tq so easy to break lose and the 14b spools at 2k lol

 

The 2.0T is faster than a Civic Si, Current tC and next gen tC. It accomplishes it with the addition of a turbo but does not sacrifice MPG for performance, that's what I'm saying. The age old debate about which is 'better' can go on forever, that's a personal decision, but there is no denying its a lot of car you get in that Gen coupe.

 

What fun is a RWD car that doesn't have enough torque to even break the tires loose good enough to catch a drift....LOL.



No it's not. It runs a low 15sec 1/4 mile. We are talking about the 2.0t here, not the 3.8 V6. SI runs a 14.7-15.1 depending on driver. And a tC can run 15.1-15.4 depending on driver. How you figure it's going to be faster than the next Gen tC that's coming with 180hp/170+tq and 6spd tranny when that cars has not numbers yet? Not to mention next gen tC has the same body dimensions but is like 1 inch wider. Don't see it beating the next gen tC sorry.