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ptuning....turbo kit, etc.... DYNO SHEET pg.39
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Maybe you can't understand your own post. It says....
"i was hoping the product and end result will sell itself.
so any comments, experiences, pics, dyno sheets, videos, what ever...."
Where does it say that you only want ptuning dyno sheets? According to your post it says ANY comments, pics, dyno sheets or whatever.
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Maybe you are illiterate or just don't ge tit..
WITH INJECTION KIT AT 1.4 BAR GAINS MADE + 31.5 hp + 25.4 torque BEFORE 378.8 whp and 294.1 ft-lbs AFTER 410.3 whp and 319.5 ft-lbs WITH INJECTION KIT AT 1.6 BAR GAINS MADE + 16.3 hp + 21.5 torque BEFORE 410.3 whp and 319.5 ft-lbs AFTER 426.6 whp and 341.0 ft-lbs
The first dyno reading was no methanol involved. 378 whp/294tq
WITH INJECTION KIT AT 1.4 BAR GAINS MADE + 31.5 hp + 25.4 torque BEFORE 378.8 whp and 294.1 ft-lbs AFTER 410.3 whp and 319.5 ft-lbs WITH INJECTION KIT AT 1.6 BAR GAINS MADE + 16.3 hp + 21.5 torque BEFORE 410.3 whp and 319.5 ft-lbs AFTER 426.6 whp and 341.0 ft-lbs
The first dyno reading was no methanol involved. 378 whp/294tq
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It's a smaller motor, with a smaller turbo right in that turbos efficiency range. Like PTuning said, roughly 10hp/tq per PSI is typical, they gained 15TQ per PSI with the 50/50. That means they only gained 5WTQ per PSI from the meth injection. Since you're running 100%, let's QUADUPLE that number. 5WTQ*400% = 20WTQ. 20WTQ*2PSI = 40WTQ. That's still 60WTQ less than you're claiming, and I'm 104% sure that going from 50/50 to 100% will not increase the efficiency of meth injection by 400%.
You must not be able to read. I will explain to you the result in a way you might be able to understand... They gained 48whp/47 tq with running 50/50 meth.
And i went from 6 PSI NO meth to 8 PSI, 100% meth on my retune. The numbers are fairly similar to the writeup.
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I'll try to do this for you again since you refused to believe me the first time, then continued to insult my reading comprehension, simply because you're too blind to realize that I'm right.
WITH INJECTION KIT AT 1.4 BAR GAINS MADE + 31.5 hp + 25.4 torque BEFORE 378.8 whp and 294.1 ft-lbs AFTER 410.3 whp and 319.5 ft-lbs
WITH INJECTION KIT AT 1.6 BAR GAINS MADE + 16.3 hp + 21.5 torque BEFORE 410.3 whp and 319.5 ft-lbs AFTER 426.6 whp and 341.0 ft-lbs
Note: I'm using the LOW BOOST NO METH numbers and the HIGH BOOST WITH METH numbers.
341 - 294.1 = 46.9
46.9/3 = 15.6
They gained 15.6WTQ/PSI, ON TOP of the meth injection.
Now, I want you to realize somehting. They did gain about 50whp/50wtq after the meth was added. BUT THEY ALSO INCREASED THE BOOST BY 3 PSI.
What does that mean?
THEY DID NOT GAIN 50WHP/WTQ FROM METH ALONE. FURTHER MEANING THAT IF YOU TAKE THE TYPICAL 10WHP/PSI OUT OF THE EQUATION, THE METH HAD MINOR EFFECTS.
WITH INJECTION KIT AT 1.4 BAR GAINS MADE + 31.5 hp + 25.4 torque BEFORE 378.8 whp and 294.1 ft-lbs AFTER 410.3 whp and 319.5 ft-lbs
WITH INJECTION KIT AT 1.6 BAR GAINS MADE + 16.3 hp + 21.5 torque BEFORE 410.3 whp and 319.5 ft-lbs AFTER 426.6 whp and 341.0 ft-lbs
Note: I'm using the LOW BOOST NO METH numbers and the HIGH BOOST WITH METH numbers.
341 - 294.1 = 46.9
46.9/3 = 15.6
They gained 15.6WTQ/PSI, ON TOP of the meth injection.
Now, I want you to realize somehting. They did gain about 50whp/50wtq after the meth was added. BUT THEY ALSO INCREASED THE BOOST BY 3 PSI.
What does that mean?
THEY DID NOT GAIN 50WHP/WTQ FROM METH ALONE. FURTHER MEANING THAT IF YOU TAKE THE TYPICAL 10WHP/PSI OUT OF THE EQUATION, THE METH HAD MINOR EFFECTS.
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"so the reason for this thread... TWAN and CHRIS basically sold me on their shop and there parts, but thats their job.
i was hoping the product and end result will sell itself.
so any comments, experiences, pics, dyno sheets, videos, what ever...."
where does it say in this paragraph ptuning dyno sheets only.. i read hte thread title but the topic doesnt say ONLY post ptuning info....
i was hoping the product and end result will sell itself.
so any comments, experiences, pics, dyno sheets, videos, what ever...."
where does it say in this paragraph ptuning dyno sheets only.. i read hte thread title but the topic doesnt say ONLY post ptuning info....
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According to his dyno, his baseline was 379/294.
His baseline = pump gas = 379/294.
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to get back on topic....
CarbonXE already got owned by rob_descendant because he can't explain why the descendant kit is no good, and then got owned by me because he can't admit to being wrong about methanol injection. You are definitely not on the bright side, you can't even bring up facts to prove yourself. Learn to debate. And your S2K wouldn't stand a chance against my tc.
Also I agree with Domo on his earlier posts..
People need to stop joining the banwagon and actually research the product before they buy it. Ptuning might be all hype, my greddy kit is putting down more power than most of ptuning turbo kit users. I'm waiting for Toan to post the flaw in the dyno sheet so i can get an understanding of why no one believes me. Of course I will forward it onto my tuner and we'll go from there.
CarbonXE already got owned by rob_descendant because he can't explain why the descendant kit is no good, and then got owned by me because he can't admit to being wrong about methanol injection. You are definitely not on the bright side, you can't even bring up facts to prove yourself. Learn to debate. And your S2K wouldn't stand a chance against my tc.
Also I agree with Domo on his earlier posts..
People need to stop joining the banwagon and actually research the product before they buy it. Ptuning might be all hype, my greddy kit is putting down more power than most of ptuning turbo kit users. I'm waiting for Toan to post the flaw in the dyno sheet so i can get an understanding of why no one believes me. Of course I will forward it onto my tuner and we'll go from there.
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Direct quote from the article, in case you're still to ____ing stupid to understand.
We installed our kit into a '97 SR20DET-equipped Nissan 240SX. The motor had already been built, and the turbo and plumbing had already been upgraded to Blitz hardware. Unfortunately, the Blitz turbo struggled to get past the 400-whp mark (using pump gas and 1.4 bar of boost) on Driftspeed's conservative Dynapack Dynamometer.