You're too slow with the bat.

 

Depends on the region. I have two hitting the port on the 14th, 3 on the 20th and one on the 27th.

 

People don't forget that it is in the interest of the dealership to try to sell the cars on their lot as quickly as possible. So don't be surprised or think they are stupid and uniformed when they give wrong information about 06. No salesman will even mention the arrival of 06 when he's trying to sell you a 05 off the lot. And even when you bring that up, the salesman will say it's gonna be months away (the one I talked to said oct-nov) - THEY ARE JUST DOING THEIR JOB TRYING TO SELL THE CARS IN THEIR LOT. They may also try to say other things to convince you to buy a 05 off the lot - like "this color will not be available in 06", or "the details about the new model are not fully known", or "it's risky to be the first one to buy a new model year because the new production line might still have a quircks", an so on.

PLEASE IGNORE EVERYTHING THAT A SALESMAN TELLS YOU ABOUT THE 06 WHEN HE IS TRYING TO SELL YOU A 05 !!!!! Get your information by doing the research online, getting information from people which are not trying to make a profit on you.

And again, let me stress the fact that NOW IS THE WORSE TIME TO BUY A 05!!! It is the end of the 05 model year, but Scion has not yet anounced any incentives to get rid of the 05. They are hoping that people will still buy all the 05 in stock even while 06 are coming in, but if that doesn't happen they will have to offer some incentives, like cheap financing or some freebies like free sccessories, because once you get some 06 on dealerships lots, NO ONE will buy a 05 for the same price.

 

Ahem... I beg to differ. I know what your point is, but be careful with that broad brush you're using to paint all of us.

 

I was only saying that salesman will not mention the 06 ONLY WHEN HE IS TRYING TO SELL A 05. It's like when Microsoft is advertising Windows, do you think they are going to talk about it's security flaws ? NO !!! In fact any salesman of any product always try to highlight the strong points of their product, and avoid talking about any possible problems with it, or at least try to play the problems down. This is sales 101. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Of course I don't mean the information dealers like you post here is incorrect - on the contrary. You probalby have the most accurate information (about availability, etc) and I am grateful to you for posting it here. But when a buyer is talking to a dealer WHICH IS TRYING TO SELL HIM A CAR, he will hear a "sales pitch" rather then the full story. This is very different then what you post here for the benefit of the forum readers, rather then trying to sell to a specific indivdual.

 

right. that big paint brush is the bane of this bussiness.

If i am not mistaken I mentioned the 06s are incoming and i still have 05s on the lot. so when you said "no salesman" you must not have meant me.

[rant]I really hate that there are people out there that make us look bad like that. Your right, i want to sell the old cars first. but, I am less inclined to change some persons mind. People want what they want. My job is to help them get their request filled. People will buy the 05 and people will buy the 06. I can care less which. They all help pay the bills in some small way.[/rant]

 

Again: I meant you will not mention the 06 when you are talking to a buyer face-to-face who is looking at a 05 in your lot, right ? I do not mean you didn't mention it here, which is very much appreciated by me and others reading the information in this forum.

 

Sure... I don't mind it when the salesperson is actually just ignorant....though it does make me wonder about their dedication to their product.

But when I say, "I'm calling to ask about when you expect to see 2006 tCs to be available through your dealership", eventually followed by "look, I know they're coming, and I know a dealer who is expecting his to arrive between June 7 and 10" and they still say, that's not possible...
...well...we're talking about someone who's either pretty confident about their knowledge in the face of someone else who's pretty confident about different facts (in which case I feel a bit of disrespect or a lack of willingness to check), OR they don't care to check about what I the customer cares about, OR they are flat out lying...

None of those situations brings respect to the salesperson.

'course, none of that applies to the dealers/salespersons who are participants here, but when I call and talk to someone about that and that's how they react...that's a fast way to, um, jump off my list of potential buying-places.

 

Here's another example: when you go to a Saab dealership and ask about the Saab 9-3 do you think that the salesman is going to bring up the fact that consumer reports rates the car as "poor reliablility" for 2 years in a row, based on their reader survey about problems with the car ? OF COURSE NOT ! And even if you bring that up, the salesman will say it was just a few software glitches, which have been corrected (btw, I am telling you this from experience). Saab dealers will usually try to avoid talking about the reliability issue. Luckily for you Toyota dealers, you will most likely bring up and boast about Toyota reliability (which is a major selling point for Scion). This is all very obvious, but I still see people which rely on sales pitch for their source of information, which is unfortunate.

 

I'm always torn in conversations like this. I agree that there are some really bad salesmen out there. They make us all look bad. I also appreciate that some here realize that some things are just natural such as trying to sell what we have NOW.

The thing is, we don't have anything in stock now. Anything a customer wants is going to be ordered. I have 3 more 2005 tCs coming in by the 14th of this month. If a customer approaches me and states that they want a black automatic without side air bags, I'll ask them a few questions. "How quickly do you need it?" "Do you care about radio controls on the steering wheel?" "How big a deal is $200 to you?" "Do you want a 6 disc CD?" Based on the answers to those questions, I'll move them one direction or another. I'll tell them the basis for the questions and let them make an informed decision, but I don't need to trick them. I'll sell the remaining 2005s easily enough.

 

^^^ cliffy, are you sure you gonna be able to sell the 05 easily enough when you have both 05 and 06 side by side on your lot ? even though they may be in different colors and/or options, it's still gonna be hard to convince anyone to take a 05 if they also know there is a 06 available immediately. Even taking into account the $200 extra, I can't see too many people going with the 05 unless you (or scion) throw in some incentives.

 

They wont be on the lot at the same time. Remember, we're pre-selling most of these and if one actually makes it to my lot, it doesn't stay for more than a day or two. Believe it or not, a lot of people impulse buy $17,000 cars and just having one here is enough to get somebody to commit.

At least that's what 11 years in this business has lead me to believe. I better be right, or I'm not going to have any paycheck in July.

 

Hey cliffy,


You mentioned that you guys might be getting the '06's some where around june 20th. Will you be able to get a flint mica 5 speed? After reading all these posts I think its in my g/f;s best interest to get a '06 instead of an '05 esp. since some of those minor imperfections were addressed. Please let me know. I am located in the harrisonburg Area.

Thanks

 

5 speeds are still a bit tight. I certainly can get one, but by the middle of this month would be a trick. Extend your deadline to the first week of July and I'm positive I could get you one. Shoot me an e-mail... sclifford@kjtoyota.com

Oh yeah... I do have one coming in flint mica with the manual tranmsission, but I have a deposit on that one. If the dude backs out, it becomes available and will be here by the 21st.

 

shadowhawk: I do not know if they are using the same paint. When I had my 2002 Honda Civic Si I noticed that, that paint chipped fairly easy too. What is nice about a white car is that it is easy to touch up and still look good.

I agree with Cliffy1 here. After I talekd with moriarty's sales partner I get the impression very few of them are actually going to make it to the lot unspoken for. Including the one with my name on it, I am curious if he has any more names on these 06 tC's coming in. Out if the number that he has, I wonder how many are left.

One last thing, I think that it is really cool that we have dealers on these forums. All the dealers that I have talked to through forums and PM's have so far, given me very consistant answers to my questions.

 

June 20th was the date i was told by a local dealer too.

 

Didn't you already ordered a 05 and put down a deposit on it ? I'm not sure if you can cancel without losing the deposit. People need to do their research before blindly going in and commiting. This is all about keeping your cost of ownership low and saving money. Sure, if you don't care about that then it's not big deal if you get a 05 or a 06, but then again if you REALLY didn't care then you could probably afford a G35/IS350/325ic ?

 

I put down 500 for a white 2005 scion almost a month ago, and the dealer has been looking for a new one in white to come in. Today i got a call from my salesman telling me that it might take another 2-3 weeks and it is comming from japan. He made no mention of it being an 06 or an 05, but im guessing it would be an 06 because they are ordering it. He made no mention of an increase of $200 in msrp. Will i be getting the 06?

 

If you put down a deposit on a '05 then you will be getting an '05 from what I understand. They are still shipping more '05s from Japan so you will probably get that. Are you looking for an automatic or a 5speed? There is a white auto at a dealership near me.

 

When my g/f put down a deposit I didnt know about the '06's otherwise I would have probably had her wait. She just needs a car quick since she sold her accord already.