Intake Manifold update!!!
Dynatek will not have a booth but we have a number of intakes on display (none for the Yaris or Xd until we get the requisite number signed up. We will have a trick cross ram for an LS1/LS2 and new version for LS3 on display. We will try to configure intake to work wqith stock air box and after market CAI.
colosky, are you wantin one of these too? we only need 5 more! richard, im still curious, did the manifold change the sound of the car? ive heard other cars with aftermarket intake manifolds and such, and they seemed to make the induction noise real throaty sounding... sounded real nice.
Some good info posted by Richard over at yarisworld.com explaning how our MAF sensors work and how our cars and ECU will interact with this Manifold:
Member Question:
Quote:
Originally Posted by cee_dub2003
That is really hard to understand! For one the MAF only calibrates air volume and AIT temp. adding more air into each cylinder would cause the car to run lean, and ping, causing the knock sensor to draw back timing to compensate for the lean in tunr loosing HP.
I have seen a intake manifold for a TC do this. I would really like to see how you have done this when the Toyotas MAF is a very learing piece of equipment.
Richard's Answer:
Hopefully this will help you and others understand why your comments are somewhat inaccurate. The mass air meter is not a learning device, it is a simple measurement device that measures mass flow (temp, volume and infered density). The learning portion of the equation comes from the ECU (interpretation of signals from various sensors including MAF). Using a hot wire, voltage is applied to keep the wire at a given temperature. The greater the airflow (or lower the temperature of said air), the greater the voltage required to maintain a constant element temperature. This change in voltage (or frequency on some MAF applications) is correlated to airflow based on the relationship between ID of the meter assembly and what is refered to as the sample tube (flow orifice to hot wire element). The change in airflow through the system (that happens at different engine speeds and/or loads) is compensated for by the MAF. The same thing happens with changes in airflow from something like an intake upgrade. Problems can arise when you run out of effective meter range (we call this topping out the meter-meaning we reach the voltage ceiling near 5.0V). This can happen with major power gains like those achieved with a blower or turbo. We rescale the meter and combine it with larger injectors for these applications, but for something simple like an intake upgrade-there is no need for this. In reality, altering the mass air meter (by orientation, entry or alteration of ratio between flow orifice and metering orifice) will have much more of a change in the air/fuel ratio than adding the intake manifold. This knowledge on the workings of a mass air meter plus the actual data that came from the hundreds of direct back-to-back dyno tests run indicate that the air/fuel is not effected by the change in intake manifold on the Yaris. I make it a point never to bring speculation to a data fight.
Member Question:
Quote:
Originally Posted by cee_dub2003
That is really hard to understand! For one the MAF only calibrates air volume and AIT temp. adding more air into each cylinder would cause the car to run lean, and ping, causing the knock sensor to draw back timing to compensate for the lean in tunr loosing HP.
I have seen a intake manifold for a TC do this. I would really like to see how you have done this when the Toyotas MAF is a very learing piece of equipment.
Richard's Answer:
Hopefully this will help you and others understand why your comments are somewhat inaccurate. The mass air meter is not a learning device, it is a simple measurement device that measures mass flow (temp, volume and infered density). The learning portion of the equation comes from the ECU (interpretation of signals from various sensors including MAF). Using a hot wire, voltage is applied to keep the wire at a given temperature. The greater the airflow (or lower the temperature of said air), the greater the voltage required to maintain a constant element temperature. This change in voltage (or frequency on some MAF applications) is correlated to airflow based on the relationship between ID of the meter assembly and what is refered to as the sample tube (flow orifice to hot wire element). The change in airflow through the system (that happens at different engine speeds and/or loads) is compensated for by the MAF. The same thing happens with changes in airflow from something like an intake upgrade. Problems can arise when you run out of effective meter range (we call this topping out the meter-meaning we reach the voltage ceiling near 5.0V). This can happen with major power gains like those achieved with a blower or turbo. We rescale the meter and combine it with larger injectors for these applications, but for something simple like an intake upgrade-there is no need for this. In reality, altering the mass air meter (by orientation, entry or alteration of ratio between flow orifice and metering orifice) will have much more of a change in the air/fuel ratio than adding the intake manifold. This knowledge on the workings of a mass air meter plus the actual data that came from the hundreds of direct back-to-back dyno tests run indicate that the air/fuel is not effected by the change in intake manifold on the Yaris. I make it a point never to bring speculation to a data fight.
Wow, the interest list on the Yaris side is growing pretty quickly!
They have 8 people listed in just a couple of days... They will hit the 10 people mark in no time...!
Hopefully we will get to see the actual production units for the Yaris sooner than the xD's.
... And that should help build some confidence and clear some doubts from the people that are worried about what the final unit will look like And people that are not confident that Dynatek can deliver it's promisses...
They have 8 people listed in just a couple of days... They will hit the 10 people mark in no time...!
Hopefully we will get to see the actual production units for the Yaris sooner than the xD's.
... And that should help build some confidence and clear some doubts from the people that are worried about what the final unit will look like And people that are not confident that Dynatek can deliver it's promisses...
I am currently finishing up a book on B-segment performance that will include the testing on the yaris, Xd, Xb, TC, Versa and Honda Fit. The book includes testing on air intakes, exhuast, supercharging, turbocharging, nitrous and basically all manner of bolt-on performance. Naturally this will include testing on the various intake manifolds.
Please let us know when the book is out and when can we get it...!
On a separate note:
The Yaris oficial List reached the min required 10 people last night.
As I mention earlier... maybe looking those Yaris Manifold produced and rocking on their cars will motivate the xD crowd to jump in this boat.
That will help also clear some doubts that have prevented a few people to join the list...
On a separate note:
The Yaris oficial List reached the min required 10 people last night.
As I mention earlier... maybe looking those Yaris Manifold produced and rocking on their cars will motivate the xD crowd to jump in this boat.
That will help also clear some doubts that have prevented a few people to join the list...





