It's a very rare occasion, I, however did drive it all the way from Los Angeles to Las Vegas for SEMA (everyone at the show told me I have a ridiculously large ***** for doing so)....other than that, I've driven it to one show which was about half an hour away, once about an hour away to install my Endless brakes, & once to a car meet that was only 15 minutes away. Other than that, it lives in the garage with a lock on it.

It's my pride and joy. The only reason I rarely drive it is because I'm scared of getting tickets. I'm not worried about ruining anything at all while driving. I'll probably start cruising around on the weekends with it. But, I refuse to park it in a parking lot for fear of vandalization. Too many haters in SoCal.

 

Tail lights smoked is correctable and the turbo is not.

 

last thing i will post about that car, the Shelby GT500 is the cobra enough said back to topic for me.

 

Knightman,

A turbo on a Scion tC is illegal for it removes the cat and replaces it with a downpipe. The supercharger does not remove/replace the exhaust manifold, and thus is legal.
All the cars you listed have ways to manage their emissions. They would not be on the dealership lot if they did not.

Your lawyer speech reminds me of why I love America. You can get away with anything if you pay enough money, despite being guilty to the core.

And finally, peak torque/horsepower ratings mean nothing. A Shelby/Cobra/whatever does not immediately take a GT off of the line because a supercharger has to build boost too. So until you're really laying rubber down, you're driving an expensive GT.

 

Well, this may be my videogame-lack-of-reallife-track experience talking, but aren't you supposed to rev up before the flag drops anyway? Doesn't that give the supercharger its power right off?

I'm not a track racer (obviously) so I'd still opt for a super vs a turbo anyway. Even still, without good reason, a cop is not looking under my hood without a warrant.

 

I wasn't giving you any attitude, but if you saw it that way, that's your issue not mine. If you want to be offended by what I say than so be it, but don't expect me to care if your feelings get hurt when I tell you how things work in the real world. This isn't personal, I'm just trying to keep people from getting bad legal advice, or thinking that a lawyer will somehow prevent them for having to pay for the breaking law.

This has been challenged and upheld many time by the California Supreme Court, and the U.S. Supreme has laid a clear definition on probable cause to request a search of a vehicle. By having an intercooler in plain sight, the officer had probable cause to search the engine for illegal modifications (C.V.C 27156), it's no different than if he had a pound of weed in the passenger seat: if it's out in the open, it's fair game at that point. The same rules would have applied if the officer had heard a BOV that vented to atmosphere, or if he noticed the car omitting excessive odor, smoke, or flame from the exhaust system. He had the right to refuse the search, however, his vehicle would have ordered off the road (towed at his expense), and his vehicle license plates would have been suspended until he could provide a smog inspection certificate from a state referee in order to renew; he agreed to this when he registered his vehicle. Also, installing a turbo kit is a violation of the National Emission Standards Act (42 U.S.C. Secs. 1857f-1 to 1857f-7) if it removes the primary catalytic converter (integrated in the exhaust manifold on the tC).

This is what ANY defense lawyer would advise his clients of should they be presented with this situation. Any defense of the above would have an extremely low success rate, and low success rates equal less billable hours.

I hope that wasn't too much "attitude" for you.

 

If that's true, I think you could have chosen a more adult way to make your point that attacking me in your original post. I mean seriously, if I came into a conversation you were having with someone else, and I said "oh man, you'd get laughed at for that big time, you just need to get over it...." What would YOU think?

Then I'd say california needs better lawyers, among other things. My lawyers will do whatever it takes. They don't always 'get me off' of the offense, but as I've said before, 9 tickets and counting, but zero on my record. I keep getting either a complete dismissal or deferred adjudication.

And in response to what you said about a smog check, it's simple, get the smog check initially, and carry a copy with you at all times (like I do with my deferred receipts....just in case). If you can produce paperwork on the sport that says you're legal, I'd wager there's only two things they can do at that point: 1) nothing and 2) like it.

 

I'm not here to play nice to a bunch of random IP address, I'm here to share information and prevent people from wasting hard-earned money. I'm sorry if you don't appreciate how I present that information... most people here do, but thanks for the critique all the same.

Well that's good for you, it seems you enjoy paying attorney and court fees. Of course it would have been wiser and cheaper if you exercised a little more prudence before breaking the law. Obviously, you are well prepared for your habitual legal issues, the original poster was not or else he wouldn't be whining about his fix-it ticket on a public forum. The phrase "if you can't be a good example, stand as a horrible warning" should apply here, and on all similar posts. Let this be a lesson on reading up on your state law and finding less obvious ways to modify your car so not to get caught breaking the law. Unfortunately, since the ticket was marked "uncorrectable", the original poster is looking at hefty fines and fees with or without a lawyer.

You are not the first person to think that, which is why California state referee inspection paperwork means very little outside of the courthouse and/or the DMV, parts can be easily re-installed and smog certs aren't a free pass to violate the law. Unless one can provide a California Air Resources Board exemption number or exemption certificate for a modification, law enforcement can, and will issue a citation for violating the vehicle code.

 

I don't think I care for you.

I can see manners are a lost concept on you, at least as it pertains to 'random IP addresses.' I once knew someone who acted like a reject online because it 'wasn't real.' Trouble is, we all knew each other in the 'real world' as well and soon, we didn't care for her either.

Have you succeeded in making yourself look lofty and smart to the rest of us random IP addresses? Can you sleep well tonight now?

You know what? Don't answer that. I really don't care.

 

I would suggest you take it to PM if you want to continue your lecture on manners after telling me to "lick your nut" in your first response, noob. Otherwise, add something constructive to this forum or move the hell on, people like you with a severe lack of personal responsibility and common sense send the wrong message here. That's the reason why I call you a random IP address, your profile says your 29, but I have the distinct feeling I'm conversing with spoiled 16 year old that's never dealt with life outside of his parents house. I have a hard time believing an adult is stupid enough to rack up 9 tickets, have to hire lawyers to defend himself against them, and managed to total his previous car. You may want to look in the mirror and ask yourself what you're doing wrong, because clearly you're not doing things right. I don't know what part of Dallas you're from or where you grew up, but personal responsibility was something that was stressed very heavily where I lived in Plano.

Yes, I do sleep well at night, thanks for your concern. And sorry to disappoint, I do have lots of friends here on SL and in the real world that disagree with your assessment of me. I'm willing to be your friend too if you are willing to change you attitude and take some responsibility for your poor choices rather than having your lawyers do that for you.

 

Well, noob, you need to learn to read. I never said to like my nut. I said My gut reaction would be to tell you that. (Hence why I used the quotes) THough I do understand how someone of your ilk can make such a mistake since you don't even have the common courtesy to be cordial to 'random IP addresses.'

This part means so much coming from someone whose very first reply to me was an unwarranted, insulting, attitude filled rant.

I can't tell you how much I value your assessment of my age or level of responsibility. No, seriously, I can't. Because I don't. I could care less what you believe and what you don't. Perhaps it's you that needs to look in the mirror and seriously question what happened to you in your life to make you such a reject, though the bit about being from Plano sure could be a good place to start. Nothing but spoiled lil brats from there anyway. It's unfortunate to see that the spoiled attitude doesn't go away as you age.

I'm afraid you've closed the friend door already. I tend not to make good friends with people with a history of being rude to a total stranger for no reason.

And I cracks me up to meet someone who talks about responsibility and lawyers in the same sentence. That's rich. You do know, that as an American citizen, it's your RIGHT to fight a ticket when you think you didn't deserve to get one, don't you? I mean you did graduate high school, right? Being able to defend oneself is one of the greatest things about our country. If you feel you got a ticket in error or that you are innocent of the offense, you have the right to defend yourself. I'd wager, since those tickets were dismissed and none are on my record......I must have been right, and responsible in exercising my right to go to court and represent myself.

But thanks anyway for your assessment, it was wholly ignored and useless, but thanks anyway. I'm done with you now. There's no need to pm because I wouldn't pm you if I were being paid to do so.

 

this thread got WAY outta hand

 

wow another reason why i like florida lol... i pass prob 3 cops going to work every day.. and i have a loud exhaust and a stereo i never get bothered.. but i did have a cop across the street point his finer at me and said turn it down lol...

 

That's funny. Why can't all cops handle the fix-it 'offenses' that way? Ya know...just look at you from their car and go

Then you can just act all innocent-like and go as you drive away.

 

if cops wanted to be an _______ they can pull you over for basically anything. Most cops have a dominant state of mind and wearing their uniforms gives them a sense of power. Ive been pulled over for the stupidest things like having an amplified system, and going 70 mphs in a 65 ( freeway) with the rest of the cars matching 70...

I live in Cali, Los Angeles
my two brothers are police officers.
thats just how it is.

if anything the cop was jealous of your ride so hes like ive never had a turbo in my life, but I feel the need to stop anyone who does.

 

Yep, that's what most of my speeding tickets have been. That's why I get a lawyer each time. Most of the tickets, actually, were because I was doing the same speed as everyone else, but I was driving a Lancer Ralliart at the time, and those look riced-out off the lot, huge spoiler and all. I didn't get pulled over in my Civic nearly as much because it didn't even have a spoiler.

One thing I've found, though, is that most cops pull you over just because it's their job and they get in trouble if they don't. I remember my second ticket was a cop radaring people from the bushes. He told me "I'll just pretend I saw your current insurance car, and I'll write you up for such and such speed instead of what I clocked you at."

Needless to say, he didn't show up for court either, so he was basically encouraging me to fight it. Cops, in my experience, would rather catch bad guys than speeders or modders. But the higher ups make them do the speed traps and such. If you're cool with them, they'll usually be cool back. There are always some exceptions though.

 

Get new tails, take it to ref, get it checked & pay the fine for the turbo since it's non-correctable. You don't need to take it off.

 

If you pay the fine, can they potentially nail you again later, or can you just keep a record of the first fine and show it if you get popped again?

 

I am selling this kit check it out. Thanks. https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=206745

 

Nope, that doesnt work, if you get popped again, then you get popped again. It's the cops decision if he/she wants to mark it as correctable or not-correctable.