dante_b

point of this thread is......toyota sucks scion's toes hehe lets just wait and see what happens, till then happy tuning!

jct

DAMN THATS A NICE CAR

fugeelama

You can't bring the xb/BB into the discussion because even though they share the same platform, they're different body styles. All Scions are technically hatchbacks of some form... The Ist and xA are almost identical twins; the Vitz is a slightly different car though, and it shows with the fact that this car (see start of thread, a.k.a. the Echo2) has evolved into something else.

As for the Japanese market having multiple versions of cars, what works for Japan doesn't always work for the US. Could you imagine buyers here in the States having to try and decide between a Scion xA, Toyota Vitz, Toyota Echo, Scion Ist... you get the picture.

We can keep going with this forever. The bottom line (ie: my final statement) is that IMO it doesn't make any real sense to have a Scion xA and a Toyota Echo2 sold on the same lot. Reasons have been stated, so it's just a matter of time before the official word comes out as to what's really going to happen.

Rich_Manas

we never said that they wouldn't bring an echo replacement. what were saying is that it would be stupid of them to bring out a sub-compact hatch that's similar in price, size and looks of an xA.

yes, celica sales have been been very poor after 2000 when the car was released but that's how sports coupes sales are normally. they're always good when the car is released but after a year it slows down. if you want to see for yourself go to a madza or nissan dealer and look at the 350 and rx8. there used to be a waiting period, now you can drive one off the lot.

japan is a different market than america. america is bigger market, its all about volume which took the japanese awhile to realize that it would be easier to build certain high volume cars here. fto and eclipse similar? the only thing they share is that they're both built by mitsu, but again we don't get the fto. why? cause they feel its not neccessary to have two coupes in their line up. avalon and gs300? last i checked the avalon was front wheel drive and the gs rear wheel drive. one cost $10 to $15k more than the other. how is that the same? even if they were the same which they're not, they are not sold under the same roof. highlander and RX330 not lx470. again, sold under two different dealers. the so called replacement for the echo will be in the same building as the xA.


again your missing the point. all the cars you mentioned above are either sold at a different dealer (ie: acura or infiniti dealer vs honda or nissan dealer) or the two cars look somewhat different. no ones going to look at a golf and a beetle and say they both look the same.

i'm sorry but how old are you?

djct_watt

for those that didn't know, the echo is the worst selling Toyota vehicle, relative to sales goals (MR2 is low volume, and although the actual sales are less, the sales to goal ratio is larger, on average). I don't see any reason for Toyota to continue selling such a miserable product.