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ptuning....turbo kit, etc.... DYNO SHEET pg.39
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Okay, sorry it took so long, I hope everyone didn't try to cut each others throats.
First off doDaddy I'm not here to hate on you and I really don't believe any of the other members are either. It's just that everyone wants the truth, especially when it comes to dyno numbers that get posted. It doesn't help the community when non-factual information gets posted. Those that are not in the know may take it as gospel and will surely be dissappointed when they go to their local tuner for some dyno runs.
Now, you admit that you're no tuner or dyno operator, so the fact that my explanation may not reflect to your liking should not be any fault of yours, you neither tuned nor dynoed the car. You're just the messenger in this case.
Now, if you look at where the pull ends, it is roughly at 5,900 rpms. You can tell that the tuner took it off the rev limiter, which is normal practice, since some tC turbo kits (ours for sure) will make power at the way to redline. You can tell that it was taken off the rev limiter because the car is hitting fuel cut and the power drops out (hence the downward turn in the hp and torque numbers on the graph).
Obviously if your tuner tuned enough tC's he would have saved himself some time by using the inductive clamp on the wiring loop on the side of the cylinder head near the number four cylinder. He instead went through the trouble of determining rpm based on road speed. While this is fine and all, he did not calibrate the dyno for the gear he was in at the time or he just miscalibrated the gear entirely to begin with.
If he had taken the car off the rev limiter with a proper gear ratio calculation the graph would have ended around 6200-6300 rpms, which is the redline for an '05-'06 tC. It may have been that he calibrated it for fourth gear and did the final pull in third gear without recalibrating the gear ratio counter for the lower gear. Either way, this will skew the graph and cause incorrect HP and TQ numbers.
On top of that, I'm still convinced that his dyno has a correction factor plugged into it as well. You said for yourself in a earlier post that it read the same as another DynaPack dyno. I can tell you that our DD dyno reads about 15-18% lower than the local DynaPack dynos.
I hope this helps explain the freakishly high numbers you are getting on just 8 psi. REGARDLESS of the FUEL used or whether you flew the McLaren or Ferrari F1 tuner in, I would say that it would be highly unlikely that they would get those numbers, especially on a non-fluffed (is this what we're calling it now?) DD dyno at only 8 psi and even more importantly, through a 2.25" exhaust. Remember, overall power is determined simply by AFR and tuning for MBT. What separates the mens from the boys with tuning is achieving excellent overall driveability and reliability in the tune.
Also, you mentioned that you were running a manual boost controller, every manual boost controller I've ever used on the Greddy tC kit will result in some boost spiking when the turbo is fully spooled. So while you did hit 8 psi at redline, you may have hit 8, 9, 10 psi or more at the initial onset of full boost.
Lastly, the way your info has been set-up in the info - box on the top left hand corner is rather unusual. Your tuner has "customer" down as "customer" rather than using your name or even nickname, etc. (no big deal). He has your vehicle ID down as Run11 (rather than a partial VIN or something that puts the vehicle as yours for easier searching). Your dyno runs are all mixed up with all the other cars and customers that have been on his dyno. If you look at the File at the bottom of the box.....by putting you down generically as "Run11", your dyno pulls are stuck together with the other 898 pulls that he's done on the dyno. Now I'm assuming that he didn't do 898 dyno pulls on your car when he tuned it. Doing this makes it quite difficult to review your snapshot files after each pull, since it's stuck together with 897 other random vehicles. While this may not seem like a big deal, it does make me question why he would not separate your dyno pulls as your own.
As for me contacting your tuner, I'd rather not get into a ____ing match with another tuner. I have nothing to gain from it, I can assure you of that. Hopefully, this helps to better explain things.
BTW, let me reiterate one last time that I have absolutely nothing to gain from disproving your numbers. As a matter of fact, I've always liked the Greddy kit for it's fitment and build quality. We've sold and tuned many, many of these kits in the past, that is that reason I am so familiar with it and the numbers that it is capable of.
Bottom line, if you're happy with your tune, who cares.
- Toan.
First off doDaddy I'm not here to hate on you and I really don't believe any of the other members are either. It's just that everyone wants the truth, especially when it comes to dyno numbers that get posted. It doesn't help the community when non-factual information gets posted. Those that are not in the know may take it as gospel and will surely be dissappointed when they go to their local tuner for some dyno runs.
Now, you admit that you're no tuner or dyno operator, so the fact that my explanation may not reflect to your liking should not be any fault of yours, you neither tuned nor dynoed the car. You're just the messenger in this case.
Now, if you look at where the pull ends, it is roughly at 5,900 rpms. You can tell that the tuner took it off the rev limiter, which is normal practice, since some tC turbo kits (ours for sure) will make power at the way to redline. You can tell that it was taken off the rev limiter because the car is hitting fuel cut and the power drops out (hence the downward turn in the hp and torque numbers on the graph).
Obviously if your tuner tuned enough tC's he would have saved himself some time by using the inductive clamp on the wiring loop on the side of the cylinder head near the number four cylinder. He instead went through the trouble of determining rpm based on road speed. While this is fine and all, he did not calibrate the dyno for the gear he was in at the time or he just miscalibrated the gear entirely to begin with.
If he had taken the car off the rev limiter with a proper gear ratio calculation the graph would have ended around 6200-6300 rpms, which is the redline for an '05-'06 tC. It may have been that he calibrated it for fourth gear and did the final pull in third gear without recalibrating the gear ratio counter for the lower gear. Either way, this will skew the graph and cause incorrect HP and TQ numbers.
On top of that, I'm still convinced that his dyno has a correction factor plugged into it as well. You said for yourself in a earlier post that it read the same as another DynaPack dyno. I can tell you that our DD dyno reads about 15-18% lower than the local DynaPack dynos.
I hope this helps explain the freakishly high numbers you are getting on just 8 psi. REGARDLESS of the FUEL used or whether you flew the McLaren or Ferrari F1 tuner in, I would say that it would be highly unlikely that they would get those numbers, especially on a non-fluffed (is this what we're calling it now?) DD dyno at only 8 psi and even more importantly, through a 2.25" exhaust. Remember, overall power is determined simply by AFR and tuning for MBT. What separates the mens from the boys with tuning is achieving excellent overall driveability and reliability in the tune.
Also, you mentioned that you were running a manual boost controller, every manual boost controller I've ever used on the Greddy tC kit will result in some boost spiking when the turbo is fully spooled. So while you did hit 8 psi at redline, you may have hit 8, 9, 10 psi or more at the initial onset of full boost.
Lastly, the way your info has been set-up in the info - box on the top left hand corner is rather unusual. Your tuner has "customer" down as "customer" rather than using your name or even nickname, etc. (no big deal). He has your vehicle ID down as Run11 (rather than a partial VIN or something that puts the vehicle as yours for easier searching). Your dyno runs are all mixed up with all the other cars and customers that have been on his dyno. If you look at the File at the bottom of the box.....by putting you down generically as "Run11", your dyno pulls are stuck together with the other 898 pulls that he's done on the dyno. Now I'm assuming that he didn't do 898 dyno pulls on your car when he tuned it. Doing this makes it quite difficult to review your snapshot files after each pull, since it's stuck together with 897 other random vehicles. While this may not seem like a big deal, it does make me question why he would not separate your dyno pulls as your own.
As for me contacting your tuner, I'd rather not get into a ____ing match with another tuner. I have nothing to gain from it, I can assure you of that. Hopefully, this helps to better explain things.
BTW, let me reiterate one last time that I have absolutely nothing to gain from disproving your numbers. As a matter of fact, I've always liked the Greddy kit for it's fitment and build quality. We've sold and tuned many, many of these kits in the past, that is that reason I am so familiar with it and the numbers that it is capable of.
Bottom line, if you're happy with your tune, who cares.
- Toan.
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Guys...I think I know what's going on here. The F/I section of ScionLife really/primarily consist of people who Race/tune/build their own tC's. I assume most are like me and rarely venture to other sections of Scionlife, meaning we spend 90% of our time here gaining "mechanical" knowledge. Seriously, how much knowledge do you need to apply headlight overlays? So, we pop in when necessary, but that's usually the jist of it.
This poses a problem for someone who spends 90% of their time in oh say the "Aero and Exterior" section...making their cars "look" good. And when it comes to "mechanical" mods, rely on other people to do that. Not doing the work yourself allows you to be easily influenced by more technical people. Had he spent his time here gaining knowledge on turbos, the specifics of our engines, how we make boost, how we Don't make boost, and what's efficient enough to produce X amount of HP.....he too would question his own dyno numbers. But as mentioned, he has no idea about tuning or what tC's normally dyno at, and only has the word of his tuner (someone more technical who obviously easily influences him).
So, when you have someone come over here and post about their car after being turboed and try to pass off some inflated dyno that goes against every tC that has ever (EVER) graced the F/I section with dyno numbers, then he will be crucified.
Honestly it's not his fault. There is a difference between Ignorance and Stupidity. In Dodaddy's case...he is just ignorant (this is not meant to be a put down, but ignorant simply signifies that you "don't/didn't know") The put down version would be knowing and still doing it...that would be Stupidity. I don't think you are stupid, just ignorant of what your car does.
This poses a problem for someone who spends 90% of their time in oh say the "Aero and Exterior" section...making their cars "look" good. And when it comes to "mechanical" mods, rely on other people to do that. Not doing the work yourself allows you to be easily influenced by more technical people. Had he spent his time here gaining knowledge on turbos, the specifics of our engines, how we make boost, how we Don't make boost, and what's efficient enough to produce X amount of HP.....he too would question his own dyno numbers. But as mentioned, he has no idea about tuning or what tC's normally dyno at, and only has the word of his tuner (someone more technical who obviously easily influences him).
So, when you have someone come over here and post about their car after being turboed and try to pass off some inflated dyno that goes against every tC that has ever (EVER) graced the F/I section with dyno numbers, then he will be crucified.
Honestly it's not his fault. There is a difference between Ignorance and Stupidity. In Dodaddy's case...he is just ignorant (this is not meant to be a put down, but ignorant simply signifies that you "don't/didn't know") The put down version would be knowing and still doing it...that would be Stupidity. I don't think you are stupid, just ignorant of what your car does.
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^^^^^ QFT so in the past 7 pages we have 1 relevant post GO TOAN! Your Kung Fu is the strongest 
My Kung Fu is very weak, I am but a white belt compared to your black.
My Kung Fu is very weak, I am but a white belt compared to your black.
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Okay, sorry it took so long, I hope everyone didn't try to cut each others throats.
First off doDaddy I'm not here to hate on you and I really don't believe any of the other members are either. It's just that everyone wants the truth, especially when it comes to dyno numbers that get posted. It doesn't help the community when non-factual information gets posted. Those that are not in the know may take it as gospel and will surely be dissappointed when they go to their local tuner for some dyno runs.
Now, you admit that you're no tuner or dyno operator, so the fact that my explanation may not reflect to your liking should not be any fault of yours, you neither tuned nor dynoed the car. You're just the messenger in this case.
Now, if you look at where the pull ends, it is roughly at 5,900 rpms. You can tell that the tuner took it off the rev limiter, which is normal practice, since some tC turbo kits (ours for sure) will make power at the way to redline. You can tell that it was taken off the rev limiter because the car is hitting fuel cut and the power drops out (hence the downward turn in the hp and torque numbers on the graph).
Obviously if your tuner tuned enough tC's he would have saved himself some time by using the inductive clamp on the wiring loop on the side of the cylinder head near the number four cylinder. He instead went through the trouble of determining rpm based on road speed. While this is fine and all, he did not calibrate the dyno for the gear he was in at the time or he just miscalibrated the gear entirely to begin with.
If he had taken the car off the rev limiter with a proper gear ratio calculation the graph would have ended around 6200-6300 rpms, which is the redline for an '05-'06 tC. It may have been that he calibrated it for fourth gear and did the final pull in third gear without recalibrating the gear ratio counter for the lower gear. Either way, this will skew the graph and cause incorrect HP and TQ numbers.
On top of that, I'm still convinced that his dyno has a correction factor plugged into it as well. You said for yourself in a earlier post that it read the same as another DynaPack dyno. I can tell you that our DD dyno reads about 15-18% lower than the local DynaPack dynos.
I hope this helps explain the freakishly high numbers you are getting on just 8 psi. REGARDLESS of the FUEL used or whether you flew the McLaren or Ferrari F1 tuner in, I would say that it would be highly unlikely that they would get those numbers, especially on a non-fluffed (is this what we're calling it now?) DD dyno at only 8 psi and even more importantly, through a 2.25" exhaust. Remember, overall power is determined simply by AFR and tuning for MBT. What separates the mens from the boys with tuning is achieving excellent overall driveability and reliability in the tune.
Also, you mentioned that you were running a manual boost controller, every manual boost controller I've ever used on the Greddy tC kit will result in some boost spiking when the turbo is fully spooled. So while you did hit 8 psi at redline, you may have hit 8, 9, 10 psi or more at the initial onset of full boost.
Lastly, the way your info has been set-up in the info - box on the top left hand corner is rather unusual. Your tuner has "customer" down as "customer" rather than using your name or even nickname, etc. (no big deal). He has your vehicle ID down as Run11 (rather than a partial VIN or something that puts the vehicle as yours for easier searching). Your dyno runs are all mixed up with all the other cars and customers that have been on his dyno. If you look at the File at the bottom of the box.....by putting you down generically as "Run11", your dyno pulls are stuck together with the other 898 pulls that he's done on the dyno. Now I'm assuming that he didn't do 898 dyno pulls on your car when he tuned it. Doing this makes it quite difficult to review your snapshot files after each pull, since it's stuck together with 897 other random vehicles. While this may not seem like a big deal, it does make me question why he would not separate your dyno pulls as your own.
As for me contacting your tuner, I'd rather not get into a ____ing match with another tuner. I have nothing to gain from it, I can assure you of that. Hopefully, this helps to better explain things.
BTW, let me reiterate one last time that I have absolutely nothing to gain from disproving your numbers. As a matter of fact, I've always liked the Greddy kit for it's fitment and build quality. We've sold and tuned many, many of these kits in the past, that is that reason I am so familiar with it and the numbers that it is capable of.
Bottom line, if you're happy with your tune, who cares.
- Toan.
First off doDaddy I'm not here to hate on you and I really don't believe any of the other members are either. It's just that everyone wants the truth, especially when it comes to dyno numbers that get posted. It doesn't help the community when non-factual information gets posted. Those that are not in the know may take it as gospel and will surely be dissappointed when they go to their local tuner for some dyno runs.
Now, you admit that you're no tuner or dyno operator, so the fact that my explanation may not reflect to your liking should not be any fault of yours, you neither tuned nor dynoed the car. You're just the messenger in this case.
Now, if you look at where the pull ends, it is roughly at 5,900 rpms. You can tell that the tuner took it off the rev limiter, which is normal practice, since some tC turbo kits (ours for sure) will make power at the way to redline. You can tell that it was taken off the rev limiter because the car is hitting fuel cut and the power drops out (hence the downward turn in the hp and torque numbers on the graph).
Obviously if your tuner tuned enough tC's he would have saved himself some time by using the inductive clamp on the wiring loop on the side of the cylinder head near the number four cylinder. He instead went through the trouble of determining rpm based on road speed. While this is fine and all, he did not calibrate the dyno for the gear he was in at the time or he just miscalibrated the gear entirely to begin with.
If he had taken the car off the rev limiter with a proper gear ratio calculation the graph would have ended around 6200-6300 rpms, which is the redline for an '05-'06 tC. It may have been that he calibrated it for fourth gear and did the final pull in third gear without recalibrating the gear ratio counter for the lower gear. Either way, this will skew the graph and cause incorrect HP and TQ numbers.
On top of that, I'm still convinced that his dyno has a correction factor plugged into it as well. You said for yourself in a earlier post that it read the same as another DynaPack dyno. I can tell you that our DD dyno reads about 15-18% lower than the local DynaPack dynos.
I hope this helps explain the freakishly high numbers you are getting on just 8 psi. REGARDLESS of the FUEL used or whether you flew the McLaren or Ferrari F1 tuner in, I would say that it would be highly unlikely that they would get those numbers, especially on a non-fluffed (is this what we're calling it now?) DD dyno at only 8 psi and even more importantly, through a 2.25" exhaust. Remember, overall power is determined simply by AFR and tuning for MBT. What separates the mens from the boys with tuning is achieving excellent overall driveability and reliability in the tune.
Also, you mentioned that you were running a manual boost controller, every manual boost controller I've ever used on the Greddy tC kit will result in some boost spiking when the turbo is fully spooled. So while you did hit 8 psi at redline, you may have hit 8, 9, 10 psi or more at the initial onset of full boost.
Lastly, the way your info has been set-up in the info - box on the top left hand corner is rather unusual. Your tuner has "customer" down as "customer" rather than using your name or even nickname, etc. (no big deal). He has your vehicle ID down as Run11 (rather than a partial VIN or something that puts the vehicle as yours for easier searching). Your dyno runs are all mixed up with all the other cars and customers that have been on his dyno. If you look at the File at the bottom of the box.....by putting you down generically as "Run11", your dyno pulls are stuck together with the other 898 pulls that he's done on the dyno. Now I'm assuming that he didn't do 898 dyno pulls on your car when he tuned it. Doing this makes it quite difficult to review your snapshot files after each pull, since it's stuck together with 897 other random vehicles. While this may not seem like a big deal, it does make me question why he would not separate your dyno pulls as your own.
As for me contacting your tuner, I'd rather not get into a ____ing match with another tuner. I have nothing to gain from it, I can assure you of that. Hopefully, this helps to better explain things.
BTW, let me reiterate one last time that I have absolutely nothing to gain from disproving your numbers. As a matter of fact, I've always liked the Greddy kit for it's fitment and build quality. We've sold and tuned many, many of these kits in the past, that is that reason I am so familiar with it and the numbers that it is capable of.
Bottom line, if you're happy with your tune, who cares.
- Toan.
Toan,
I appreciate you taking the time to review the dyno sheet. The only other question/concern that I have before I pass this information onto my tuner is if his dyno is giving me 293whp/365 tq reading, why would a dyno jet dyno from a competely different shop be giving me similar numbers as well?
You're exactly right, bottom line is to be happy with a reliable car and a reliable tune.
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Instead of producing dyno sheets for you to REVIEW here on scionlife we'll be busy KICKING the ____ out of our competition at the TIME ATTACK events.
Have you ever compared our FWD Time Attack lab times compared to the COMPETITIONS?
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here a link to our RACE schedule for the next couple weeks... http://www.world-racing.com/schedule.htm
Instead of producing dyno sheets for you to REVIEW here on scionlife we'll be busy KICKING the ____ out of our competition at the TIME ATTACK events.
Have you ever compared our FWD Time Attack lab times compared to the COMPETITIONS?
Instead of producing dyno sheets for you to REVIEW here on scionlife we'll be busy KICKING the ____ out of our competition at the TIME ATTACK events.
Have you ever compared our FWD Time Attack lab times compared to the COMPETITIONS?
rob you are the man, thank you for owning these ignorant people on the internet that think they know it all. +1 descendant racing, if i had money to spend i'd be buying there intake manifold right now :D and I've called in before to ask about there products and they have great customer service!
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to get back on topic....
CarbonXE already got owned by rob_descendant because he can't explain why the descendant kit is no good, and then got owned by me because he can't admit to being wrong about methanol injection. You are definitely not on the bright side, you can't even bring up facts to prove yourself. Learn to debate. And your S2K wouldn't stand a chance against my tc.
Also I agree with Domo on his earlier posts..
People need to stop joining the banwagon and actually research the product before they buy it. Ptuning might be all hype, my greddy kit is putting down more power than most of ptuning turbo kit users. I'm waiting for Toan to post the flaw in the dyno sheet so i can get an understanding of why no one believes me. Of course I will forward it onto my tuner and we'll go from there.
CarbonXE already got owned by rob_descendant because he can't explain why the descendant kit is no good, and then got owned by me because he can't admit to being wrong about methanol injection. You are definitely not on the bright side, you can't even bring up facts to prove yourself. Learn to debate. And your S2K wouldn't stand a chance against my tc.
Also I agree with Domo on his earlier posts..
People need to stop joining the banwagon and actually research the product before they buy it. Ptuning might be all hype, my greddy kit is putting down more power than most of ptuning turbo kit users. I'm waiting for Toan to post the flaw in the dyno sheet so i can get an understanding of why no one believes me. Of course I will forward it onto my tuner and we'll go from there.
OMG! Dude...seriously...step away from the Keyboard. Just say NO!
actually its
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16 descendant
and the reason why i'm not going with descendant.. is because of there customer service... had me on hold for 10-15 minutes at a time 3-4 times... and a after mutiple conversation with rob... he had no idea who i was or what i was doing.....
64 ptuning
16 descendant
and the reason why i'm not going with descendant.. is because of there customer service... had me on hold for 10-15 minutes at a time 3-4 times... and a after mutiple conversation with rob... he had no idea who i was or what i was doing.....
I have called them twice, and my experience was quite different
Spoke with Rob both times. The second was late in the day, and i needed a fuel rail 2nd day shipped. He made sure had it in stock and 2nd dayed it to me despite being late. Class act guy, and sent me some other goodies as well. I give props to both P-tuning, and Descendant for doing what we all wish we could do, and showing people that the Scion is a decent platform. The both have race proven products, and both stand by what the produce/use.
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Toan,
I appreciate you taking the time to review the dyno sheet. The only other question/concern that I have before I pass this information onto my tuner is if his dyno is giving me 293whp/365 tq reading, why would a dyno jet dyno from a competely different shop be giving me similar numbers as well?
You're exactly right, bottom line is to be happy with a reliable car and a reliable tune.
I appreciate you taking the time to review the dyno sheet. The only other question/concern that I have before I pass this information onto my tuner is if his dyno is giving me 293whp/365 tq reading, why would a dyno jet dyno from a competely different shop be giving me similar numbers as well?
You're exactly right, bottom line is to be happy with a reliable car and a reliable tune.
Have your tuner give you the same exact same dyno pull (number 898 from runfile "run11") with boost vs. HP.
Remember, I'm just here to try and help you answer some questions on your dyno sheet not to get your tuner all bent out of shape.
- Toan
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ok I am the person (god, jesus) that tuned stephen's car. toan sounds like you have a dyno dynamics dyno and are very familiar with it. yes the dd dyno reads way lower than any other dyno on the market and it does have an extra correction factor allowed to be entered. we do have a correction factor in there to give the best accurate reading possible. we have dyno'd a handfull of bone stock cars in multiple drivetrain configurations and did the math of a known good car with known crank hp and tq. and subtract for drivetrain loss and make our correction read within + or - 2 hp of what should be put to the ground. after we found our "correction" we then compared our dyno numbers to a 2 dyno jets and 2 mustang dyno's. our readings are right in line with a mustang dyno which is what most of our community here compares anyone's numbers too. my boss talked with the dyno dynamics reps and this is what they came up with and it has worked just fine for almost 4 years now and over 12,000 logged runs on the dyno. I am very confident in the power produced by his car are not "inflated" numbers that these people are believing them to be. however there is misleading information that stephen has not been mentioning. we were trying to really push his setup so we were targeting 18psi, but unfortunately it would only spike 18 for a brief moment then taper all the way back to 8psi by redline. we push this size turbo on other cars to 22 psi on meth and it holds together great on 2.0l engines. so yes I know the turbo can do it. I know it sounds unreal that this car can produce such high tq but really 365 tq from a 2.4l engine at 18 psi on meth is actually a little lower than I would of thought it would of got. srt4 neons are 2.4l and have a similar turbo size as well and they will push 21psi on meth and hit over 400tq to the ground on stock turbo. I am not here to argue what you guys think it should of done but tell you all the information I can and if you still cant accept it then that is for you to not accept. as stated before the dyno is meant for one thing and one thing only tuning the numbers mean nothing to me and I could care less if it read 165 ft lbs of tq. the proof was in the test drive when rolling on it in 3rd gear on a nice dry day stephen lit up his tires like it was raining out. I have ridden in and driven alot of cars and I can tell you the tq this car puts down is serious. stay tuned and when stephen does more to his car like put the upgraded wastegate on it so we can hold 18 psi to redline and we make a ton more power that you guys can't believe is happening we will then take it to the track and give you a trap speed to chew on for awhile, until you think we were running the texas mile or something not quarter mile, but what ever hopefully I didnt misspell to much stuff and I am sorry it reads in one paragraph but it is late and I have been working all day and I am only going on here to try and clear some things up.
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glad to see its finally getting back on track here... this is a very useful thread...minus about 10 pages...but none the less useful once the people that have the items in question came in instead of speculation. Ya'll play nice now and I won't have to edit/close this. On a side note I look forward to seeing World Racing's members again @ SEMA this year, Ptuning you guys going to be there? Would love to have you guys sell me your kits in person :D